RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted November 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) Despite having 2 Ikea-LACK-based micros under construction, I've already started the advanced planning for another, my first ever foray into NG Modelling. This will be largely based on the VoR and Devils Bridge station (though probably a mirror image version) and inspired by this pic from the Newton Abbot Railway Studies website: Yes, I know it's banger blue. I can't ever recall seeing a blue-era VoR layout on the show circuit or in the comics. Should upset a few steam purists, I hope I've never even contemplated a 009 layout before, so am rather in the dark regarding stock. Locos I know I can get kits for (whitemetal body on a Minitrix 2mt/BR24/BR64 chassis) and there's some VoR rolling stock available in kit form, albeit the earlier coaches. Worst case I'll use the closest-looking stock and wing it. While I'll likely use Peco's 009 track for cost/availability reasons, I'd be open to suggestions of alternatives as I know Peco's rail section is a tad chunky. The Lack upon which Mynydd y Ddraig will be built is 110cm x 26cm, plus a fiddlestick off the station throat end. I'll obviously need to compress the platform (and therefore train) length, but I think I can still capture the feel of the prototype. Edited November 18, 2019 by CloggyDog 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 Chivers at one time produced etched kits for the 'modern' 1938 closed coaches, but they've been out of production for years. There is a Robex kit for the GWR open coaches of 1923, but it's not cheap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stan williams Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 A number of people have used the Dundas VOR coaches and turned them into open coaches. The 4 wheel open wagons are available and there was the odd cattle wagon (Nine Lines). 4 wheel brake vans still available. (wooden sided). Someone also produced the Hafan open wagon. The more modern coaches produced by Chivers have long been out of production. Stan. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I must be one of the few people who actually liked the BR blue era on the VoR. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was pretty, but I always found it fascinatingly incongruous to see this very corporate colour scheme on an Edwardian NG locomotive. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldomtom2 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 26/11/2019 at 10:30, HonestTom said: Edwardian Interwar surely? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 You are correct, but the basic design is Edwardian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HonestTom Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 17 hours ago, eldomtom2 said: Interwar surely? Shhh, don't tell the accountants! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted December 25, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 25, 2020 Santa (well, Shelley in disguise) has kick-started the stock I need and the plain 009 track is on order (to join the Peco points I won cheaply on ebay a wee while back), so I'll be making a proper start the layout in the coming weeks, using one of a number of 110cm Lacks I have to hand. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I see that Worsley Works are now listing the 'modern' Vale of Rheidol coaches. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted June 21, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 It's been a wee while, but while I ponder H0 motive power solutions for Dounreay, Mynyndd y Ddraig has been temporarily set up to test the trackplan and see what the stock capacity might be (loco + 4 + van), where the clearance points and allow some general tweaking/fettling of the plan. Plastic wriggly tin sheet and other bits on order for the buildings and I need to make a fair quantity of trees (something else I've not done before). 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted June 21, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2021 30 minutes ago, CloggyDog said: It's been a wee while, but while I ponder H0 motive power solutions for Dounreay, Mynyndd y Ddraig has been temporarily set up to test the trackplan and see what the stock capacity might be (loco + 4 + van), where the clearance points and allow some general tweaking/fettling of the plan. Plastic wriggly tin sheet and other bits on order for the buildings and I need to make a fair quantity of trees (something else I've not done before). Bit too "Modern Image" for me. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Keith Addenbrooke Posted June 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 22, 2021 22 hours ago, CloggyDog said: It's been a wee while, but while I ponder H0 motive power solutions for Dounreay, Mynyndd y Ddraig has been temporarily set up to test the trackplan and see what the stock capacity might be (loco + 4 + van), where the clearance points and allow some general tweaking/fettling of the plan. Plastic wriggly tin sheet and other bits on order for the buildings and I need to make a fair quantity of trees (something else I've not done before). Be great to see how this progresses - the VoR in blue is how I remember it from a childhood visit (seemed normal to me at that age). If I might just share a word of caution to avoid problems further on: you may be fully aware of this of course, but just in case, the point in the goods yard looks like one of the short / Setrack ones with a 9” / 228mm radius. They’re the ones I use, but some of the new longer wheelbase r-t-r 009 locos are only designed for a minimum radius of 12” and might have problems shunting the short stub siding if you get one at any point. Hope it’s OK just to mention it. I like the plan - the gentle curve through the platform looks great. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted July 23, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 23, 2021 Drafted up sides for the 'new' VoR stock and cut them on the Silhouette. I used the BR weight diagrams and refined them in Silhouette Studio. 2 brakes and 6 seconds, plus ends and droplights all in 10 thou plasticard. 2 A4 sheets, so just under a quid for the lot. These will go on the Dundas VoR coach chassis. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 One thing I found with the old DM10 compared to the DM13 chassis version was that the bogie centres were different. The old DM10 has bogies centres of 89mm, DM13 85mm. The prototypes were 22 feet so the correct figure would be 88mm. Both figures may have changed since though as my kits were bought in the early 1980s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted July 24, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, BernardTPM said: One thing I found with the old DM10 compared to the DM13 chassis version was that the bogie centres were different. The old DM10 has bogies centres of 89mm, DM13 85mm. The prototypes were 22 feet so the correct figure would be 88mm. Both figures may have changed since though as my kits were bought in the early 1980s. Thanks for the tip Bernard, you are quite correct so the Dundas underframes haven't changed in the meantime. So in the end I made a simple underframe of 60 thou, with Evergreen 3.2mm C channel solebars for the test build, using just the Dundas bogies. I think it looks okay. Seats next, then a roof. Edited July 24, 2021 by CloggyDog 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted July 25, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2021 A couple of questions for those more familiar with 009 than this novice: 1. are scale (or near-to scale) Chopper couplings available? The 'Bemo/Peco' loop/latch don't look particularly attractive to my eyes and I'd prefer to use something more prototypical if I can. 2. are 4mm etched number/name plates available for the VoR trio? My google-fu seem to be broken on both subjects, I've tried various search terms and na-da... TIA! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Moxy Posted July 25, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 25, 2021 32 minutes ago, CloggyDog said: A couple of questions for those more familiar with 009 than this novice: 1. are scale (or near-to scale) Chopper couplings available? The 'Bemo/Peco' loop/latch don't look particularly attractive to my eyes and I'd prefer to use something more prototypical if I can. 2. are 4mm etched number/name plates available for the VoR trio? My google-fu seem to be broken on both subjects, I've tried various search terms and na-da... TIA! 1. Not as far as I know. The only successful scale chopper couplings I have seen have been in 7mm scale and above. Whilst not prototypical, some 009 modellers use ordinary 'N' gauge couplings, which are a little more discreet than Bemo/Peco type. 2. I can't find any sets of plates, but Light Railway Stores do GWR style number plates, and if you can get them details of the nameplates, I'm sure they will be able to make them up for you. https://www.lightrailwaystores.co.uk/collections/number-plate-styles?page=1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 The name and numberplates are in the old King's Cross Plates range, available through the GCR Society. Though the names were applied by BR in 1956 they're listed in the GWR section. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Keith Addenbrooke Posted July 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 23/07/2021 at 23:39, CloggyDog said: Drafted up sides for the 'new' VoR stock and cut them on the Silhouette. I used the BR weight diagrams and refined them in Silhouette Studio. 2 brakes and 6 seconds, plus ends and droplights all in 10 thou plasticard. 2 A4 sheets, so just under a quid for the lot. These will go on the Dundas VoR coach chassis. Hi there! These look great. I’ve only just tried plasticard for the first time, so am still learning about it. I note you’ve used .010” thou for these. That seems very thin (1/4 mm). Do they need reinforcing to keep them straight (and hold up the roof)? Keith. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted July 26, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2021 10 minutes ago, Keith Addenbrooke said: Hi there! These look great. I’ve only just tried plasticard for the first time, so am still learning about it. I note you’ve used .010” thou for these. That seems very thin (1/4 mm). Do they need reinforcing to keep them straight (and hold up the roof)? Keith. Hi Keith, each side comprises 2 layers of 10 thou, laminated using d-limonene (Mek or other liquid poly cements should work equally as well, with care - 10 thou is easily distorted/melted by stronger solvents) - I clamp the 2 layers between steel rules while the limonene goes off, helps keep everything flat. So my sides are effectively 20 thou (½mm) The 60 thou floor helps at the bottom of the sides and on the test build I also put a 5mm-wide strip of 10 thou (an offcut from the cut-out sheet) along the top edge. I'll take some more pics later (after work) to show more detail. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted July 26, 2021 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2021 15 hours ago, BernardTPM said: The name and numberplates are in the old King's Cross Plates range, available through the GCR Society. Though the names were applied by BR in 1956 they're listed in the GWR section. Thanks Bernard, ordered a set for no. 8 last night. In stock, should be going in the post today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted November 17, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) *blows the dust off* I've decided that Mynydd y Ddraig will be my winter modelling project, so I've started prepping the Lack with EVA foam sheet and gathering the track components together. I had built the key structures last year - the Wills 'Tin Tabernacle' modified for the station building and a store/shed made from their wriggly tin sheet. I still need to make the water tower. I've also been busy building more coaching stock, 3 more Thirds, 2 Brakes and another summer open to give me a core fleet of 8, forming 2 rakes. A second loco body, this one a 3D print, joins the Chivers kit-built one. And some freight/PW stock from various sources. I have a show deadline of mid-February 24 to help focus my time and energies 😉 Edited November 18, 2023 by CloggyDog 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 92912 Posted November 18, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 25/07/2021 at 15:51, CloggyDog said: A couple of questions for those more familiar with 009 than this novice: 1. are scale (or near-to scale) Chopper couplings available? The 'Bemo/Peco' loop/latch don't look particularly attractive to my eyes and I'd prefer to use something more prototypical if I can. 2. are 4mm etched number/name plates available for the VoR trio? My google-fu seem to be broken on both subjects, I've tried various search terms and na-da... TIA! Tramfabriek now do chopper couplings for 009 http://tramfabriek.co.uk/couplings.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted November 18, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2023 46 minutes ago, 92912 said: Tramfabriek now do chopper couplings for 009 http://tramfabriek.co.uk/couplings.html Thanks, I had seen those, though the price is a little off-putting at nearly £6 per vehicle. I did find a seller (Custom 009) on Facebook who does a 3D printed Chopper. Perhaps not as fine as the Tramfabriek ones, but acceptable enough for me, reliable and my whole fleet equipped for little over a tenner! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium CloggyDog Posted November 18, 2023 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 18, 2023 (edited) The photos I forgot to add yesterday... 🙄 The white Lack is the baseboard, with 2mm black eva foam sheet pva'd down. The black Lack is helping distribute the weight of assorted heavy things whilst the pva goes off. A productive evening saw the coaches built and seating fitted, just the extrenal details (hinges and handles) from microstrip, then a coat of primer. I need to get a couple more roof mouldings from Dundas, along with bogies for the next couple of coaches (another Third and 2 summer opens) And the buildings, with the 2 main structures and a Pagoda hut I'd forgotten about. I'll need to sort a water tower and the footbridge to straddle/hide the fiddle exit. Edited November 18, 2023 by CloggyDog 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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