Guest Jack Benson Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 Hi, What exGWR Non Passenger Coaching Stock vehicles were in regular use for inter-regional parcels traffic in the 50s? Thank you JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 19, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2019 All of them still extant, so bogie siphons, Collett and Hawksworth BGs, Monsters, Pythons, Damo, Fruit D, possibly some Churchward era vehicles in very early BR days, and postal vehicles if you include those as NPCCS. Liveries would be the last one painted on each vehicle (der...), and NPCCS goes a long time between overhauls, so a variety of shirtbutton, 1942-7 austerity, the early 1948 BR version of austerity with gill sans lettering and numbering, and BR unlined crimson. BGs would be in passenger liveries, the rest in GW brown or BR crimson. Some Siphon Gs and Hawksworth BGs were built by BR and of course these never carried any GW livery. BR livery changed to maroon from crimson in 1956, and lining was applied in 1959. No Dean era AFAIK, and no 4 or 6 wheelers, though these could be seen in departmental use. Dean 4 wheelers as per the Ratio kits lasted until 1953 on miner's workman's trains in South Wales, but these are not NPCCS. Most of the above types lasted into the 60s, Collett and Hawkworth BGs into the 70s in blue livery and some of the BR built Siphon G's in newspaper traffic circuits to the 80s. Post nationalisation, all NPCCS not specifically branded to a service could be seen anywhere on BR, whatever their original company, so for a 50s layout you can mix and match companies, liveries, and types quite freely. The Southern's PMV 'Ashford' vans were very common everywhere. BR GUV and CCT types did not appear until the later 50s, '58 I believe, and most were built post 1959 in lined maroon livery except for some green GUVs for Southern Region. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted November 19, 2019 Share Posted November 19, 2019 2 hours ago, The Johnster said: All of them still extant, so bogie siphons, Collett and Hawksworth BGs, Monsters, Pythons, Damo, Fruit D, possibly some Churchward era vehicles in very early BR days, and postal vehicles if you include those as NPCCS. Liveries would be the last one painted on each vehicle (der...), and NPCCS goes a long time between overhauls, so a variety of shirtbutton, 1942-7 austerity, the early 1948 BR version of austerity with gill sans lettering and numbering, and BR unlined crimson. BGs would be in passenger liveries, the rest in GW brown or BR crimson. Some Siphon Gs and Hawksworth BGs were built by BR and of course these never carried any GW livery. BR livery changed to maroon from crimson in 1956, and lining was applied in 1959. No Dean era AFAIK, and no 4 or 6 wheelers, though these could be seen in departmental use. Dean 4 wheelers as per the Ratio kits lasted until 1953 on miner's workman's trains in South Wales, but these are not NPCCS. Most of the above types lasted into the 60s, Collett and Hawkworth BGs into the 70s in blue livery and some of the BR built Siphon G's in newspaper traffic circuits to the 80s. Post nationalisation, all NPCCS not specifically branded to a service could be seen anywhere on BR, whatever their original company, so for a 50s layout you can mix and match companies, liveries, and types quite freely. The Southern's PMV 'Ashford' vans were very common everywhere. BR GUV and CCT types did not appear until the later 50s, '58 I believe, and most were built post 1959 in lined maroon livery except for some green GUVs for Southern Region. Hi, Just spotted this excellent thread JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 If you're building in 4mm - there is good news and bad news for the Lima O33 Siphon G (often available second hand) Bad news: The bogies are wrong - different types were fitted to different batches and many were changed later on - so a dated photo is important (or access to the book about Siphons by Jack Slinn). The vertical planking is only correct for a few of them - and the only photo I have found of the Lima planking Siphon has a different brake gear / underframe details Good news: If you can live with the planking issues - they were the most numerous Siphons in your timescale - so you can have a few of them Variants - convert to O59 by adding roof shell vents If you are very brave, convert to M34 (parcels) by adding roof vents and covering / replacing most of the louvres There is a BR built version with shutters at the bottom - there used to be a conversion kit? This makes it an O62. Regards Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 20, 2019 Share Posted November 20, 2019 1 hour ago, WillCav said: If you're building in 4mm - there is good news and bad news for the Lima O33 Siphon G (often available second hand) Bad news: The bogies are wrong - different types were fitted to different batches and many were changed later on - so a dated photo is important (or access to the book about Siphons by Jack Slinn). The vertical planking is only correct for a few of them - and the only photo I have found of the Lima planking Siphon has a different brake gear / underframe details Good news: If you can live with the planking issues - they were the most numerous Siphons in your timescale - so you can have a few of them Variants - convert to O59 by adding roof shell vents If you are very brave, convert to M34 (parcels) by adding roof vents and covering / replacing most of the louvres There is a BR built version with shutters at the bottom - there used to be a conversion kit? This makes it an O62. Regards Will Sadly, the masters for the conversion kit for the O.62 (originally manufactured by Blacksmith) ended up with Coopercraft. The bogies on the Lima model are BR1, which are not shown as fitted to any of the real ones. The most popular bogies seem to have been the 7' and 9' H/D types. Simply changing these makes a heck of a difference. Whatever the issues with the side planking, they're better than scribing them by hand; I've done that, and made the louvres. I didn't have much of a social life.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2019 As has been said, the Lima Siphon G has B1 BR bogies which are completely incorrect. The later GW and BR built Siphon Gs had 9' heavy duty bogies, and these can be obtained from several sources as they are fitted to several RTR coaches and available from Stafford Road Works as 'plug in'Shapeways 3D prints, which have the advantage of being printed with dovetails for NEM couplers. I have used these on my 'worked up' Lima Siphon G, which also has new turned brass buffers, Dart Castings IIRC and Hornby standard 14mm wheels; it runs beautifully and I intend to buy better gangway connectors for it. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 Hi, Stafford Road Works - sorry but never heard of them and Google merely results in warnings about traffic problems, do you have a link? Cheers JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2019 They are on Shapeways https://www.shapeways.com/shops/stafford_road_model_works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold A Murphy Posted November 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2019 Try this: https://www.shapeways.com/shops/stafford_road_model_works Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2019 A clip from my early attempts at stock butchery. I bought one from the well known auction site for about a fiver including postage in those days. You can still pick them up for a similar price. It is sitting on Bachmann Collett bogies, has Comet GWR square shank buffers and was coated in weathering powder on unperfumed matt hairspray. Not your ultra-accurate stuff but looks fine on the layout in a rake of similarly treated stuff like a Stanier BG, Fruit D, SR PMV, LMS CCT, etc. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jack Benson Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 1 minute ago, TheSignalEngineer said: A clip from my early attempts at stock butchery. I bought one from the well known auction site for about a fiver including postage in those days. You can still pick them up for a similar price. Not your ultra-accurate stuff but looks fine on the layout in a rake of similarly treated stuff like a Stanier BG, Fruit D, SR PMV, LMS CCT, etc. Thank you, That is exactly our approach to modelling and much appreciated. cheers JB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted November 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2019 My Lima SIPHONS are shown on Page 10 of my saga as per the link in my signature block. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, M.I.B said: My Lima SIPHONS are shown on Page 10 of my saga as per the link in my signature block. Looks like exactly what I did with the bogies and buffers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted November 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2019 Me too. I've got an old Mainline Siphon H riding on Stafford Road Shapeway printed American bogies. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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