RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted November 21, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2019 I’ve just seen the new arrivals email from Rails, and it shows the twin tendered Bittern R3771 as having no valances. When I pre orders it back in January it was definitely shown with valances. I’m very disappointed as I was planing a conversion to Dominion of New Zealand, which the real Bittern pretended to be for a while. Does anyone know when and why Hornby changed? Thinking I might send it back when it arrives. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold mcowgill Posted November 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) I believe it was always intended to be without valances but the original illustration was wrong, it was corrected back in March. See this thread Martin Edited November 21, 2019 by mcowgill 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted November 21, 2019 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted November 21, 2019 Thanks Martin. Wish I’d spotted that, I would’ve cancelled my order then. Stupid decision by Hornby in my opinion, Bittern in blue had valances for a lot longer than it didn’t. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 8 minutes ago, nightstar.train said: Thanks Martin. Wish I’d spotted that, I would’ve cancelled my order then. Stupid decision by Hornby in my opinion, Bittern in blue had valances for a lot longer than it didn’t. Not to mention that ancient second tender, a throwback from the 70's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 (edited) First time the the current superdetail variety LNER A4 , has been made without valances (ignoring the old 2nd tender) , sadly with the wrong post war numbers and lettering type. At the price asked sadly errr not for me. Edited November 21, 2019 by micklner 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 It’s the 1:1 collection it models the loco as it is today and was always advertised as such (my pic) 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 21, 2019 Share Posted November 21, 2019 I wouldn't mind having one in 1970s condition when it was at Dinting. One of the first locomotives I remember seeing. I still think of it as being Number 19. https://www.flickr.com/photos/17889585@N03/3428464685/in/photostream/ Unfortunately I don't think this would be the best way to do it as it had a non corridor tender. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Did the 1:1 Bittern twin-tendered version ever have valances? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR-fan Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Some outlets are still advertising using the original Hornby artwork with valences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNR Dave Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I've been badgering Hornby for years to do the A4 in post war LNER condition without valences and with the stainless steel numbering / lettering. After they did the apple green version last year it's the only A4 livery yet to be covered by the new tool version. I guess Bittern is the best candidate for conversion but it'll have to come down in price before I consider going ahead. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 5944 Posted November 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2019 7 hours ago, atom3624 said: Did the 1:1 Bittern twin-tendered version ever have valances? Al. I don't believe it ever ran as 4464 with both tenders. I can only find a few photos of it running as 4492 with stainless steel trim and valances with a second tender. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 (edited) Thanks for the information and reply. I suppose if investing that much in a limited edition locomotive, returning to correct costs won't be that much. Relatively easily renamed / renumbered to the experienced modeller. Al. Edited November 22, 2019 by atom3624 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) The On 21/11/2019 at 22:46, Trains4U said: It’s the 1:1 collection it models the loco as it is today and was always advertised as such (my pic) Lovely picture, beautiful plumage! It's advertised as Era 11, too. Regards Julian Edited November 23, 2019 by jcredfer Sp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted November 23, 2019 Share Posted November 23, 2019 It looks if the arrival of the Bittern Model was deliberately part of the arrival of the full size Bittern's arrival at the Margate Loco storage facility. It would seem logical for the model to match the one in the storage facility. https://theisleofthanetnews.com/2019/07/30/Hornby-open-day-to-offer-first-chance-to-see-bittern-and-other-full-size-locomotives-up-close/ Regards Julian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 23, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, jcredfer said: It looks if the arrival of the Bittern Model was deliberately part of the arrival of the full size Bittern's arrival at the Margate Loco storage facility. It would seem logical for the model to match the one in the storage facility. https://theisleofthanetnews.com/2019/07/30/Hornby-open-day-to-offer-first-chance-to-see-bittern-and-other-full-size-locomotives-up-close/ Regards Julian Yes that was the whole point of it. As with the black 5 they released as part of the same collection. I don’t see why everyone is annoyed about this. I posted way back that Paul Isles had confirmed to me via private message, and then said I could share the information, that the catalogue image was incorrect and the model would indeed have no valances as it currently looks. Check out this thread from March. Edited November 23, 2019 by Hilux5972 Added content. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 I think the other tender has also had a few minor tooling changes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MGR Hooper! Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 On 22/11/2019 at 01:49, nightstar.train said: Thanks Martin. Wish I’d spotted that, I would’ve cancelled my order then. Stupid decision by Hornby in my opinion, Bittern in blue had valances for a lot longer than it didn’t. STUPID? Because if doesn't satisfy your criteria?? 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonnyRailMan Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 What I have noticed on the double chimney stack is a cluster of perforated holes as you would see when there is a speeker fitted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted December 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2019 My personal preference is with valances (I think they look awful without) - but has been already stated it is intended to represent the current condition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted December 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, DonnyRailMan said: What I have noticed on the double chimney stack is a cluster of perforated holes as you would see when there is a speeker fitted. Vertical fins at the rear of the chimney? I think they are to improve smoke lift? edit: https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/12441677823/ Edited December 6, 2019 by Bucoops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieR4489 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 I think he means these holes... ... which are the ports for the snifting valve. I couldn't find a picture of the top of a real A4 so I had to take a quick snap on my phone but I assume it's there on the real thing as otherwise the snifting valve would be useless. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted December 6, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 6, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, JamieR4489 said: I think he means these holes... ... which are the ports for the snifting valve. I couldn't find a picture of the top of a real A4 so I had to take a quick snap on my phone but I assume it's there on the real thing as otherwise the snifting valve would be useless. Ah ok - yes they appear to be on the originals too. http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00-0-a-gcra-60010-chimney-whistle-nameplate.jpg Edited December 6, 2019 by Bucoops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 If you look at something like Flying Scotsman it's the "lump" just behind the chimney. More noticeable on a non streamlined engine. https://www.hattons.co.uk/430674/hornby_r3627_class_a3_4_6_2_60103_flying_scotsman_in_br_express_passenger_blue/stockdetail.aspx Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJack47790 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 (edited) On 21/11/2019 at 17:23, nightstar.train said: I’ve just seen the new arrivals email from Rails, and it shows the twin tendered Bittern R3771 as having no valances. When I pre orders it back in January it was definitely shown with valances. I’m very disappointed as I was planing a conversion to Dominion of New Zealand, which the real Bittern pretended to be for a while. Does anyone know when and why Hornby changed? Thinking I might send it back when it arrives. Hornby produced a model of Dominion of New Zealand and eventually you may be able to pick up a spare twin tender you could find a cheap twin tender set with Flying Scotsman. the spray LNER garter blue and paint roof grey.Then simply add transfers. Edited December 7, 2019 by MrJack47790 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJack47790 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 11 hours ago, JamieR4489 said: I think he means these holes... ... which are the ports for the snifting valve. I couldn't find a picture of the top of a real A4 so I had to take a quick snap on my phone but I assume it's there on the real thing as otherwise the snifting valve would be useless. Correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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