RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2019 Vide 6017 in 1938: I think the Claughtons must have been the last ex-LNWR engines to wear the express passenger engine livery of the day, in this case post-1928 red. The blank smokebox door of the reboilered engines gives them an odd look - faceless. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted December 18, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 18, 2019 On 04/12/2019 at 12:16, Wickham Green said: This could qualify for the 'Prototype for everything' thread - GWR livery but BR smokebox plates .... condensing panniers didn't stray far from Old Oak Common so that or Swindon's the probable location. Looks like Old Oak but some went to Stafford Road for attention. One was photographed at Swan Village on a trip freight. I believe 9710 was photographed with the shirtbutton showing in 1960 at OOC. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted December 18, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2019 On 10/12/2019 at 09:38, RRU said: 107) Highland Rly. no. 53 near Newtonmore. HR 53 Clan Stewart Built Hawthorn Leslie and Co 6/1919 works number 3332. LMS Number 14765. Withdrawn 1/1945. Note the leaves and stars burnished into the smokebox door. Andy G 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRU Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 154) LMS no. 5513 at Sanderson's Sidings, Worsley. No date. 155) LMS no. 5614 at St. Pancras 1937. 156) LMS no. 5954 at Derby 25-3-33. 157) LMS no. 6100 "Royal Scot". No more details. 158) LMS no. 6100 "Royal Scot" at Crewe North Shed 5-38. 159) LMS no.5971 near Bingley. No date. Edited December 20, 2019 by RRU Amend caption 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) 6100 looks a little different now ! ( Incidentally I overheard a conversation along the lines of "Royal Scot ...... same class as Flying Scotsman." ........................ er - well, it's the same colour I s'pose ! ) Edited December 19, 2019 by Wickham Green 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 (edited) ! Edited December 19, 2019 by Wickham Green duplicate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRU Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 More Royal Scots with and without smoke deflectors. 160) LMS no. 6106 "Gordon Highlander" at Crewe. No date. 161) LMS no. 6109 "Royal Engineer" at Tring 1939 162) LMS no. 6110 "Grenadier Guardsman" at Rugby. No date. 163) LMS no.6119 "Lancashire Fusilier" at Carpenders Park 1933. 164) LMS no.6127 "Old Contempibles" at Tring Summit 1938. 165) LMS no. 6154 "The Hussar" at Camden Shed 1930. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2019 162). The leading carriage is one of the 12-wheelers built for the 2 pm "Corridor" in 1908 - it's one of the Glasgow brake thirds, WCJS D63. Then a 60 ft corridor third to LMS diagram 1782, just ten of which were built in 1930 - built for the prestige west coast expresses, these had 6'6" rather than 6'0" wide compartments. The third carriage is just marginally lest glamorous, being an 8'6"-wide 12 wheel dining carriage, possibly with the kitchen end leading - LNWR D29 or D40, built 1897-1903. Refs: Jenkinson and Essery & Jenkinson, as previously cited. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 34 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: 162). ........ Then a 60 ft corridor third to LMS diagram 1782, just ten of which were built in 1930 - built for the prestige west coast expresses, these had 6'6" rather than 6'0" wide compartments. .......... One of which ( the sole "Period II" ) survives - under a tarpaulin - in the care of the LMS Carriage Association : seen masquerading as a Russian vehicle when at Bitton : - 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2019 With those big square-cornered widows, it does, in such shabby condition, have a bit of a Russian look to it! The LMSCA have done a superb job on restoration of the exterior (though for the moment they've baulked at fully-lined livery - with which many a modeller will sympathise). Alas it seems that as BR stripped out the original interior when the carriage was converted to departmental use, there's no prospect of being able to wallow in the spaciousness of a delux "Royal Scot" third! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 is 163 the Royal Train? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, The Lurker said: is 163 the Royal Train? Yes, a 'full' Royal (i.e. carrying the Monarch) and presumably the ex LNWR 'Royal Train' still at that time in LNWR livery. The state of the engine shows the trouble some railways went to, still in the 1930s, to prepare it for a Royal Train working. 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, The Stationmaster said: Yes, a 'full' Royal (i.e. carrying the Monarch) and presumably the ex LNWR 'Royal Train' still at that time in LNWR livery. The state of the engine shows the trouble some railways went to, still in the 1930s, to prepare it for a Royal Train working. It was a wartime measure to repaint the Royal Train vehicles in a less conspicuous livery, along with the building of new his'n'hers royal saloons of more bomb-proof material than timber. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lurker Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Yes, a 'full' Royal (i.e. carrying the Monarch) and presumably the ex LNWR 'Royal Train' still at that time in LNWR livery. The state of the engine shows the trouble some railways went to, still in the 1930s, to prepare it for a Royal Train working. it was actually the state of the engine that made me suspect it was, then I looked more closely at the coaches. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Regularity Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2019 58 minutes ago, The Lurker said: it was actually the state of the engine that made me suspect it was, then I looked more closely at the coaches. The headcode is the giveaway. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 20, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2019 I was told that the roofs were given a fresh coat of white lead paint every time the train was used, until they began to sag under the weight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Bushbury (Wolverhampton) often seem to have turned out locos, particularly Patriots, with burnished or painted smokebox door rims and hinges. Obviously they could be photos taken after the loco had worked a Royal Train, but there seem to be a fair few of them in my collection. Bushbury were responsible of the northern end of the pretigous 2hr Euston- Birmingham expresses. I've also seen photos of similar embellishments on 2-6-4Ts and IIRC Compounds. I do like the look of both the Scots and Patriots before they got deflectors. Thank you for sharing this collection. Alan 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRU Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 Here are the Pacifics. First the Turbomotive. 166) LMS no. 6202 in 6-35. 167) LMS no. 6202 near Crewe. 168) LMS no. 6205 "Princess Victoria" at King's Langley 1938. 169) LMS no. 6220 "Coronation"at Crewe 1937. The other two I think are 6221 "Queen Elizabeth" 6222 "Queen Mary" 170) LMS no. 6220 "Coronation" near Tamworth. No date. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRU Posted December 22, 2019 Author Share Posted December 22, 2019 171) LMS no. 6221 "Queen Elizabeth" at Headstone Lane 1937. 172) LMS n0. 6223 "Princess Alice" near Tarnworth. No date. 173) LMS no. 6227 "Duchess of Devonshire" at Hest Bank 7-39. 174) LMS no. 6231 "Duchess of Atholl" at Tring Summit C1938. 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 22, 2019 167 & 168 - some pre-grouping throwbacks there, right behind the latest superpower - 6202's train is headed up by an ex-Midland 6-wheel clerestory passenger brake van of 1896-1902 - diagram D530 - while 6205 hauls an ex-LNWR passenger brake van, D375 would be the most obvious - but is that a clerestory roof? And is it a trick of the light or is it still in LNWR plum and spilt milk? The second carriage behind 6202 is another of those Period 2 de-lux vehicles, in this case I think a 60 ft brake composite to D1720, 50 built in 1930. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRU Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 175) LMS no. 6408. No details 176) LMS no. 6418 at Manchester Victoria 1947. 177) LMS no. 6872. No details. 178) LMS no. 7277. No details. 179) LMS no. 7953. No details. 180) LMS no. 8422 near Keswick. No date. 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 23, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 23, 2019 180) Leading carriage is an ex-LNWR "toplight" 57 ft corridor brake third, D306 I think. The third carriage is probably the same. The middle carriage is, I think, a standard LMS Period 1 corridor composite, D1694. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRU Posted December 24, 2019 Author Share Posted December 24, 2019 181) LMS no. 8589 near Keswick. No date. 182) LMS no. 8628. No details. 183) LMS no. 8843 near Milford Tunnel. No date. 184) LMS no. 9110 at Whitmore. No date. 185) LMS no. 9203 at Carnforth. No date. 186) LMS no. 9628. No details. There will now be a pause for two days because of the holidays. Its a double celebration for me as 26th December is my birthday. I wish all of you and your families a very merry Christmas. Peter 13 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted December 24, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2019 6 hours ago, RRU said: There will now be a pause for two days because of the holidays. Its a double celebration for me as 26th December is my birthday. Just as well - I'm away from my carriage books and there are more interesting ex-LNWR vehicles in some of those photos! Happy Christmas and Birthday! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buhar Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Happy both, Peter. No 182 cannot be 8628 as Cauliflowers stopped at 8624. I can't make out the final figure through the grime (except I don't think it's a 1). Hi Stephen, I await your deductions on the lovely array of stock behind the 19" Goods. Judging by having a reporting number, the fact it's on the Midland (still with a full load of coal) and it's (nominally) a goods loco pulling just about anything that hasn't rusted to the rails, I guess it's an excursion. I did have a query about the location (my instinct was Lake District) but I think it's correct and that's the mysterious Tunnel Sighting Tower in the distance. Alan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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