Tony Davis Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I’m sure I’ve seen layouts were the builder has affixed the wire run to the underside of the layout using what looks like a plastic tape folded over the wires and held in place with a screw. I’ve tried looking for such a thing in my local shops but the nearest I can find are cable ties which a) are too thin to put a screw through and, b) bl**dy difficult to get undone again without recourse to cutters. Is the thing I have tried to describe really a thing, or have people just adapted something else? Ta Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongRail Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 P clips 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted November 25, 2019 Author Share Posted November 25, 2019 Thanks, LongRail, exactly what I meant. Regards, Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliff park Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 Also, it is possible to get releasable cable ties. The 'tongue' is longer than normal and a finger nail, or small screwdriver will release them 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted November 25, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2019 You can use a staple gun to attach cable ties. As suggested use releasable ones, or standard ones and leave them loose, until you think you have finished the cabling before tightening them, but never fully. Then later when you find you haven't finished the wiring, cut them off and start again! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John ks Posted November 25, 2019 Share Posted November 25, 2019 I find Velcro very handy to loom my cables I have opened one of the ties to show a screw through the Velcro John 3 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crosland Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Binding combs are also useful. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2019 41 minutes ago, Crosland said: Binding combs are also useful. Yep I cut them in three or four and screw them in at regular intervals, use a thin screwdriver to lift several combs at a time and they are fast to use and handy for holding the board connectors safely out of harms way during transit too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted November 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2019 (edited) There are numerous solutions, There are clips which are screwed to the baseboard , which hold releaseable cable ties, There are P Clips as Mentioned before, There velcro ties as mentioned before, Binding combs I'd not thought of.. I must investigate.. There are u clips you can screw to the baseboard and either tie wrap, or going back a bit loom and lace to.. There is Spiral wrap for the cables which can be attached to the baseboard. There is cable ducting (Plastic) which you can screw on (don't trust double sided tape) and put you wires into. You can drill holes through the baseboard supports feed the wires through and tywrap the rest.. (that's a real pain getting individual wires out later!!) You can hot melt glue, the wire to the baseboard. That's actually how most electronic equipment is done today cheap and easy unless you need to remove a wire.. Oh and an old way, make a channel of timber along the board with a plywood cap put on when finished wiring.. Reduce wiring.. the Builder of the layout I inherited, had + and - wired from each power supply and there were 12 PSU's !!! I reduced that to 3 PSUs with a common return... Me... I haven't got a preference, But it must be easily accessable, and modifiable.. Ohh using something like this as a wiring harness in the first place helps Edited November 26, 2019 by TheQ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Davis Posted November 26, 2019 Author Share Posted November 26, 2019 Thanks everyone, so many solutions, I do favour the p clips, just my personal preference though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JimFin Posted November 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2019 And one more! I 3d printed some of these, screw fix the red base to the baseboard, place the cables in place and slide the clip through. If you need to add/remove, pull the clip back, adjust the cables and re-clip. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted November 26, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 26, 2019 Now that last solution is really neat, brilliant. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, ColinK said: Now that last solution is really neat, brilliant. Not with my fingers, I would spend half an hour trying get hold of the bloody thing to slide it out! In all seriousness, it is a very neat solution. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 26, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 26, 2019 4 hours ago, TheQ said: Binding combs I'd not thought of.. I must investigate. I stash them as we recycle reports etc 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markneilp14 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 2 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: I stash them as we recycle reports etc You should see the wiring on my gauge 3 layout blackgang that is even more minimalist. As in no wiring its all rc battery electric in each loco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 I find lengths of mains trunking to be useful for routing cables. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Huw Griffiths Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 11 hours ago, JimFin said: And one more! I 3d printed some of these, screw fix the red base to the baseboard, place the cables in place and slide the clip through. If you need to add/remove, pull the clip back, adjust the cables and re-clip. 11 hours ago, ColinK said: Now that last solution is really neat, brilliant. 9 hours ago, royaloak said: Not with my fingers, I would spend half an hour trying get hold of the bloody thing to slide it out! In all seriousness, it is a very neat solution. I agree - that is neat. However, you might not even need to 3D print the red part of that setup - something similar has been available, ready made, for decades (OK - not exactly the same - but easy to modify using a file or scalpel - and they don't cost a fortune, either): Cable tie base - from TLC website. Huw. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobjUK Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 You can also get self-adhesive "twist loc" tie base. Instantly openable and closable: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PLUGZ2GO-Cable-Tie-Twist-Lock-Bunny-Ears-Choose-from-3-sizes-Natural/321676677157 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium TheQ Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 41 minutes ago, RobjUK said: You can also get self-adhesive "twist loc" tie base. Instantly openable and closable: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PLUGZ2GO-Cable-Tie-Twist-Lock-Bunny-Ears-Choose-from-3-sizes-Natural/321676677157 Though I'd stick a screw in as well, I've used various self adhesive attachments. and the one you don't want to fall off, does, after the wires are in the way.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WIMorrison Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 21 hours ago, JimFin said: And one more! I 3d printed some of these, screw fix the red base to the baseboard, place the cables in place and slide the clip through. If you need to add/remove, pull the clip back, adjust the cables and re-clip. can you point us at the STL for these? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium JimFin Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, WIMorrison said: can you point us at the STL for these? There you go. Might want to make it a bit deeper for bundled cables. Jims cable tie bracket.stl Edited November 27, 2019 by JimFin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junctionmad Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, RobjUK said: You can also get self-adhesive "twist loc" tie base. Instantly openable and closable: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PLUGZ2GO-Cable-Tie-Twist-Lock-Bunny-Ears-Choose-from-3-sizes-Natural/321676677157 And detaches nicely from wooden surfaces at the most inappropriate time 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharris Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 hours ago, RobjUK said: You can also get self-adhesive "twist loc" tie base. Instantly openable and closable: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PLUGZ2GO-Cable-Tie-Twist-Lock-Bunny-Ears-Choose-from-3-sizes-Natural/321676677157 I've used various self-adhesive cable clips in the past, but eventually they tend to unglue themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted November 27, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2019 To be fair usually the glue sticks to wood but as the wood is usually ply or mdf it either delaminates or splinters peel off until it falls off! I use 10mm screws to hold the combs on just driven straight through the plastic in the middle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Stokes Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I keep my wiring in place with a large staple gun and heavy duty staples. When they first go in they leave the wires loose. In this condition they are easily removed with a screwdriver. When you are sure that you have the wires where you want them, tap the staples with a pin hammer to tighten them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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