Bachmann OO/OO9 Availability (including Branchline & Narrow Gauge) to Oct/Nov 2024 (as of 10/01/24)

[Legend]

2 hours ago, The Black Hat said:

 

Or lack there of. Competitive price on the 45... Not so when Bachmann have the only model worth anything, ie class 40, class 55 and class 150. Watch the 55 drop with the other new one coming as they did with the 66. Yes its competition, but its also profit taking in some regards - which Bachmann are entitled to do and we are entitled to choose not to buy if we are so concerned about the price rise.

 

Spot on .  I decided years ago and the only thing I've got from Bachmann , new in the last 5 years is a DBSO and that's because it was a present to me. Family realised I was too tight to part with £80 for a coach even though its my era , My plan had been to source displaced second hand items coming on market.   So you absolutely are entitled to choose not to buy .  Still good price on the 108 due in December .   I just keep an eye out on bargains sections in Rails and usually Model Railways Direct for bargains .  But as you say you can compare the price of a 45 £159 and a 40 at £188 and form your conclusions . Same with the 66 when Hattons originally undercut Bachmann, until they dropped price.

[GordonC]

14 minutes ago, Legend said:

 

Spot on .  I decided years ago and the only thing I've got from Bachmann , new in the last 5 years is a DBSO and that's because it was a present to me. Family realised I was too tight to part with £80 for a coach even though its my era , My plan had been to source displaced second hand items coming on market.   So you absolutely are entitled to choose not to buy .  Still good price on the 108 due in December .   I just keep an eye out on bargains sections in Rails and usually Model Railways Direct for bargains .  But as you say you can compare the price of a 45 £159 and a 40 at £188 and form your conclusions . Same with the 66 when Hattons originally undercut Bachmann, until they dropped price.

 

3 others jumped out to me too, Mk1 BGs, so a coach without even an interior and largely moulded detail, is £50+ and the Class 150s and 414s, 2 coach DMU/EMUs at £260. Wow, just wow! If thats the prices they're expecting, I really cant see them selling until they've sat on shelves long enough to drift into the 'Bargain' section.

[MikeParkin65]

49 minutes ago, GordonC said:

 

3 others jumped out to me too, Mk1 BGs, so a coach without even an interior and largely moulded detail, is £50+ and the Class 150s and 414s, 2 coach DMU/EMUs at £260. Wow, just wow! If thats the prices they're expecting, I really cant see them selling until they've sat on shelves long enough to drift into the 'Bargain' section.

I think part of the problem for Bachmann especially is that most of us are fully stocked up (excuse the pun) on bread and butter 'essentials' so the mass market just isnt there for 5000 mk1 BG's or whatever. But they still need them in the range for the smaller number of modellers who they will still appeal to hence smaller production run=higher unit price to maintain a useful profit margin. People who are stocked up are waiting on new 'must have' items - the crane was one and I suspect the next will be the V2. Not sure how well the upcoming tank engines will do, J72's are still plentiful and going further back both L&Y and LNWR tanks are still available new at discount.

[truffy]

12 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said:

Not sure how well the upcoming tank engines will do,

 

They have at least one sale on the mean streets of inner-city Cardiff.

[Legend]

Rails did have the new crane on offer for a while 

[Downer]

Where did the V2 go?

[The Johnster]

2 hours ago, truffy said:

 

They have at least one sale on the mean streets of inner-city Cardiff.

Hell, yeah!!!

[The Johnster]

2 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said:

think part of the problem for Bachmann especially is that most of us are fully stocked up (excuse the pun) on bread and butter 'essentials' so the mass market just isnt there for 5000 mk1 BG's or whatever. But they still need them in the range for the smaller number of modellers who they will still appeal to hence smaller production run=higher unit price to maintain a useful profit margin. People who are stocked up are waiting on new 'must have' items

This is exactly my situation; I have more than enough locos and stock to run my timetable, with a good variety of daily change in general merchandise goods stock; any further purchases will be of 'specialists' like the salt wagon I recently picked up on 'Bay that are not really must have items and largely impulse buys.  Once a certain pannier tank, which is a must have, is purchased, Bachmann is a tapped out well SFAIK.  

 

And much of the Blue Box stuff I have has been acquired secondhand or retailers' discount.  Even as a small BLT customer, I have not been much of a profitable deal for them.  

[GordonC]

5 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said:

I think part of the problem for Bachmann especially is that most of us are fully stocked up (excuse the pun) on bread and butter 'essentials' so the mass market just isnt there for 5000 mk1 BG's or whatever. But they still need them in the range for the smaller number of modellers who they will still appeal to hence smaller production run=higher unit price to maintain a useful profit margin. People who are stocked up are waiting on new 'must have' items - the crane was one and I suspect the next will be the V2. Not sure how well the upcoming tank engines will do, J72's are still plentiful and going further back both L&Y and LNWR tanks are still available new at discount.

 

I'm sure you're right and the numbers of the more everyday coaches like Mk1s being sold now will be much lower, but if thats the price of around the most basic of coaches now thats just ridiculous. Like the weathered pairs of BSK and SK with passengers fitted at £110 I cant help thinking these will go the same way and sell when they end up reduced to closer to the £35 each mark.

 

I struggle to understand Bachmanns pricing though, things like the Mk2Fs I could understand costing more as they were lovely, well detailed coaches and you could see a bit better what you'd be paying extra for. But there doesn't seem to be enough gap between those in price and the basic Mk1 BGs to me. Even taking the cost of a loco plus a Mk2F as an example, you dont get the price of the Class 150 or 414.

 

 

 

[davidw]

Bachmann Deltic £179.

Accurascale Deltic £160

 

Hmmmm you pay your money take your choice...

[atom3624]

The AS Deltic promises a LOT more than the Bachmann - no doubt.

 

We've seen a video of it in operation - early prototype, and it looks superb.

 

Thing is, it's still an unknown entity.

 

The Bachmann is known, functions well, 'does the job', and isn't half bad.

 

Assuming the AS 55 does the job as well as anticipated, it does make the Bachmann look a bit on the expensive side ... even if it were the same price.

I have one on order, so I'm expecting the same as everyone else.

 

Al.

[trevor7598]

19 hours ago, GordonC said:

 

3 others jumped out to me too, Mk1 BGs, so a coach without even an interior and largely moulded detail, is £50+ and the Class 150s and 414s, 2 coach DMU/EMUs at £260. Wow, just wow! If thats the prices they're expecting, I really cant see them selling until they've sat on shelves long enough to drift into the 'Bargain' section.

Wow indeed!. But the market will decide in the long run. If you take the 2 EPB as an example,

full RRP £ 219.99, but many retailers seem to be stuck with them and are offering them for

around £ 110. Thank goodness the hyper inflation affecting Bachmann products recently

does not apply to the daily products we all need to live on.

 

[Steamport Southport]

10 hours ago, trevor7598 said:

Wow indeed!. But the market will decide in the long run. If you take the 2 EPB as an example,

full RRP £ 219.99, but many retailers seem to be stuck with them and are offering them for

around £ 110. Thank goodness the hyper inflation affecting Bachmann products recently

does not apply to the daily products we all need to live on.

 

 

Only certain liveries though. 

 

Try finding a BR Blue, BR Green SYP or BR Blue/Grey without the NSE logos at discount prices. They are still in the £180 bracket.

 

 

Jason

[rob D2]

On 06/05/2020 at 17:13, Steamport Southport said:

 

Only certain liveries though. 

 

Try finding a BR Blue, BR Green SYP or BR Blue/Grey without the NSE logos at discount prices. They are still in the £180 bracket.

 

 

Jason

Can you not just Tcut the NSE bits off ?

[adb968008]

6 hours ago, rob D2 said:

Can you not just Tcut the NSE bits off ?

Great thing about Bachmann is you can remove some printing with just a regular pencil eraser (aka A Rubber).

 

 

[Steamport Southport]

7 hours ago, rob D2 said:

Can you not just Tcut the NSE bits off ?

 

You can. But it's been discussed numerous times that most buyers don't even fit the parts from the bags in case it might devalue it's sell on price, never mind renumbering items or doing something drastic to change it's identity.

 

Just look at the pre owned sections in model shops such as Hattons and Rails. Most of them haven't even got things like vacuum pipes or draincocks added.

 

Why bother when the RTR manufacturer will eventually do another run with different numbers?

 

 

 

Jason

[TomScrut]

On 05/05/2020 at 19:04, davidw said:

Bachmann Deltic £179.

Accurascale Deltic £160

 

Hmmmm you pay your money take your choice...

On 05/05/2020 at 19:15, atom3624 said:

Thing is, it's still an unknown entity

On 05/05/2020 at 19:15, atom3624 said:

it does make the Bachmann look a bit on the expensive side ... even if it were the same price.

 

 

They will drop the price at the appropriate time I bet. They did so with the 66 to compete with Hattons, some would argue they did this too soon as some would rather go Bachmann still because of the Hattons' issues so maybe they will wait and see on the AS one?

 

Thing is, at the moment I'd expect the 55 market to be in limbo. Who would buy a Bachmann one at the moment for anywhere near RRP? Surely you'd either want the AS and order it or wait to see what the AS one is like?

[atom3624]

If I hadn't already ordered one, I would be in the latter category ... waiting to see.

 

If I really 'had the urge' then I would be trawling the pages as they say - checking what's available for how much, but certainly not close to list and new with the pending delivery looking so promising.

 

Al.

[aureol40012]

1 hour ago, TomScrut said:

 

They will drop the price at the appropriate time I bet. They did so with the 66 to compete with Hattons, some would argue they did this too soon as some would rather go Bachmann still because of the Hattons' issues so maybe they will wait and see on the AS one?

 

Thing is, at the moment I'd expect the 55 market to be in limbo. Who would buy a Bachmann one at the moment for anywhere near RRP? Surely you'd either want the AS and order it or wait to see what the AS one is like?

Don’t forget a sizeable proportion of Bachmann buyers will not even be aware that there is a company called Accurascale, let alone that they are doing a Deltic.  Not everyone is as well informed as those on here (and for that matter aren’t bothered about being so), and many people will just pop in their local model shop and see what is on sale that they like the look of.

Edited May 15, 2020 by aureol40012

[atom3624]

I have noticed a pretty decent marketing strategy by AS and certainly within the majority of the modelling world and shops, so I think they're doing a fairly decent job ...

 

Bachmann do do a very nice model of the Deltic, so this is not meant to detract from the Bachmann thread and fans as a whole - I'm one of them - love the smooth-running chassis ('though I am looking forwards to my AS Deltic when it finally arrives!!).

 

Al.

[adb968008]

1 hour ago, aureol40012 said:

Don’t forget a sizeable proportion of Bachmann buyers will not even be aware that there is a company called Accurascale, let alone that they are doing a Deltic.  Not everyone is as well informed as those on here (and for that matter aren’t bothered about being so), and many people will just pop in their local model shop and see what is on sale that they like the look of.

Accurascale are available on the high street too.

The word of the retailer is very highly regarded, and whilst the loco isnt here, the quality of their wagons is in the best in the UK right now.

if the customer asks the retailers advice..

[TomScrut]

3 hours ago, aureol40012 said:

Don’t forget a sizeable proportion of Bachmann buyers will not even be aware that there is a company called Accurascale, let alone that they are doing a Deltic.  Not everyone is as well informed as those on here (and for that matter aren’t bothered about being so), and many people will just pop in their local model shop and see what is on sale that they like the look of.

 

There is that. What proportion of people will that be to the point that it's worth Bachmann doing a run?

 

And as has already been said Accurascale are on the high street, although I doubt any model shop owner in their right mind would say "don't buy this one off me today there is another coming in 6 months time" unless as @adb968008 has said they specifically ask for advice.

Edited May 15, 2020 by TomScrut

[brushman47544]

Just been looking at the availability dates for diesel locomotives on the Bachmann website. There are now only six models without any information and shown as TBA, with is hopefully a good sign.

 

The only problem - for me at least - is that three of them are ones I'm waiting for, all in a version of BR blue!

Long awaited 47435 in BR plain blue with dominoes and 47711 Greyfriars Bobby in large logo blue, plus 46020 also with dominoes. Has Kader allocated all its BR blue paint to the sealed beam class 45s?

 

 

[rob D2]

1 hour ago, brushman47544 said:

Just been looking at the availability dates for diesel locomotives on the Bachmann website. There are now only six models without any information and shown as TBA, with is hopefully a good sign.

 

The only problem - for me at least - is that three of them are ones I'm waiting for, all in a version of BR blue!

Long awaited 47435 in BR plain blue with dominoes and 47711 Greyfriars Bobby in large logo blue, plus 46020 also with dominoes. Has Kader allocated all its BR blue paint to the sealed beam class 45s?

 

 

I think TBA is worse, it means they have no idea ! I was going to get 435, but I don’t imagine they’ve changed the tooling and out an ETH socket on the nose, so I’ve set about changing one of mine into 433 

 

edit - I’ve looked the photo and they’ve modelled it as before with ETH in wrong place, might as well just call it a 47/0. How it should Look below . Not my photo.

Edited May 19, 2020 by rob D2
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[tractor_37260]

1 hour ago, brushman47544 said:

Just been looking at the availability dates for diesel locomotives on the Bachmann website. There are now only six models without any information and shown as TBA, with is hopefully a good sign.

 

The only problem - for me at least - is that three of them are ones I'm waiting for, all in a version of BR blue!

Long awaited 47435 in BR plain blue with dominoes and 47711 Greyfriars Bobby in large logo blue, plus 46020 also with dominoes. Has Kader allocated all its BR blue paint to the sealed beam class 45s?

 

 

 

L/L 47711 AFAIK is coming with square HI headlights ? can anyone link a photo to confirm this as being correct ? AFAIK these were not fitted until repainted into Scot Exec livery.