fezza Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 One of my biggest bugbears is manufacturers who churn out obscure diesel prototypes that only ran for about ten minutes and neglect the commonplace designs like 170s. These are essential for a modern layout almost anywhere. I hope the wait is not too much longer. At least we now have a new batch of 170s in N gauge... although in N gauge we lack 158s... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) One I thought would probably do well without a lot of effort is a XC 220/221 with DCC. Not retooled just new circuit boards and LED lights. Having said that it would probably be at least £300 making it not good enough feature wise for that amount of money. Edited September 23, 2020 by TomScrut 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezza Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TomScrut said: One I thought would probably do well without a lot of effort is a XC 220/221 with DCC. Not retooled just new circuit boards and LED lights. Having said that it would probably be at least £300 making it not good enough feature wise for that amount of money. I dunno - I was happy to pay big ticket for a sound 158 because it was a great product. There is also the new white livery 221 variation that may tempt some....? Edited September 23, 2020 by fezza 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 21 minutes ago, fezza said: I dunno - I was happy to pay big ticket for a sound 158 because it was a great product. There is also the new white livery 221 variation that may tempt some....? Yeah it was more that it may be low hanging fruit if it was just a few circuit boards, but would people pay £300+ for a DMU without internal lighting nowadays? And it would require 3 decoders which also wouldn't go down well with some. Putting 1 decoder and internal lighting would mean a chassis (on 1 middle car) and coupler redesign, making it less of an easy win on Bachmann's part and probably putting it towards Pullman cost. OTOH Hornby can do a better 5 car MU in the 800 than the 221 for well under £400 with low chassis and saloon lighting so maybe not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted September 23, 2020 Share Posted September 23, 2020 If it was a dmu that I wanted for my layout/collection, I would buy it. But I tell you now, after testing, 1st thing I do is rip out all the pcbs, and dcc wiring and lights, going back to simple pickups wired direct to motor (along with extra ones if I feel it necessary). Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted September 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 23, 2020 9 hours ago, fezza said: One of my biggest bugbears is manufacturers who churn out obscure diesel prototypes that only ran for about ten minutes and neglect the commonplace designs like 170s. These are essential for a modern layout almost anywhere. I hope the wait is not too much longer. At least we now have a new batch of 170s in N gauge... although in N gauge we lack 158s... Following your logic here, why do we not have several Electrostar models on the market already? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 18 hours ago, TomScrut said: One I thought would probably do well without a lot of effort is a XC 220/221 with DCC. Not retooled just new circuit boards and LED lights. Having said that it would probably be at least £300 making it not good enough feature wise for that amount of money. I have wanted a 220 and a 221, with good lighting and provision for a speaker since before XC days. With the lights in the end cars and the motor in the centre car, it can’t have been an easy job, or Bachmann would have done it by now. Present expectation would be up to 117/159* standard, so a new and expensive tooling would be required. *With the lighting problem sorted out, of course. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 22 minutes ago, No Decorum said: I have wanted a 220 and a 221, with good lighting and provision for a speaker since before XC days. With the lights in the end cars and the motor in the centre car, it can’t have been an easy job, or Bachmann would have done it by now. Present expectation would be up to 117/159* standard, so a new and expensive tooling would be required. *With the lighting problem sorted out, of course. I had a DC one I converted to DCC including at the ends but ended up selling it which I kinda regret. If it was a minter I'd probably still have it. But as you say the expectation, especially at the price Bachmann would likely try and sell it at, would be 158 etc. standard which would be a whole load more work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, TomScrut said: I had a DC one I converted to DCC including at the ends but ended up selling it which I kinda regret. If it was a minter I'd probably still have it. But as you say the expectation, especially at the price Bachmann would likely try and sell it at, would be 158 etc. standard which would be a whole load more work. In their day, they were lovely models but just from the end of the DC only era. They would have set Hornby’s Pendolino off beautifully. Hornby’s Pendolino is a less sophisticated model, along the lines of the Javelin, but I have to hand it to Hornby; Hornby models were very quickly adapted to DCC when DCC became a thing. It’s shame Hornby has allowed itself to fall behind Bachmann, although Bachmann adapted much more slowly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, No Decorum said: Bachmann would have done it by now. Given their not entirely undeserved reputation for geological lead times, Bachman might have announced but if they had, there’s no chance they’d have done it... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 29 minutes ago, No Decorum said: It’s shame Hornby has allowed itself to fall behind Bachmann, although Bachmann adapted much more slowly. My main bugbear with Hornby at the moment is 8 pin decoders, and their insistence on using common negative on lighting making mods more difficult. Model wise I have no complaints on my 60, 67 and 800. The HST is a bit long in the tooth but in general I think they are good. And in the case of the 800 I think it's good value too. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 2 hours ago, TomScrut said: My main bugbear with Hornby at the moment is 8 pin decoders, and their insistence on using common negative on lighting making mods more difficult. Model wise I have no complaints on my 60, 67 and 800. The HST is a bit long in the tooth but in general I think they are good. And in the case of the 800 I think it's good value too. and in the case of the Class 87 its a very recent tooling with poor lighting options and limited decoder/speaker space inside. Not good enough for new tooling 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shunny Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 On 24/09/2020 at 11:38, TomScrut said: My main bugbear with Hornby at the moment is 8 pin decoders, and their insistence on using common negative on lighting making mods more difficult. Model wise I have no complaints on my 60, 67 and 800. The HST is a bit long in the tooth but in general I think they are good. And in the case of the 800 I think it's good value too. I see even Heljan are moving on to 21 pin with the new class 86. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 25, 2020 Reference the 170 . It remains to be seen just how far Bachmann are on with this . My feeling is probably not very . Someone like Accurascale could come in and pinch it from under their nose . Bachmann are just too slow and on the high end when it comes to price . Accurascale or Cavalex could compete . It’s not like the 91 where Hornby would compete on price with Cavalex . With Bachmann I would have thought Accurascale and Cavalex have every possibility of being less expensive. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted September 25, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 25, 2020 49 minutes ago, Legend said: Reference the 170 . It remains to be seen just how far Bachmann are on with this . My feeling is probably not very . Someone like Accurascale could come in and pinch it from under their nose . Bachmann are just too slow and on the high end when it comes to price . Accurascale or Cavalex could compete . It’s not like the 91 where Hornby would compete on price with Cavalex . With Bachmann I would have thought Accurascale and Cavalex have every possibility of being less expensive. And as it is announced as a competing product, Bachmann suddenly prioritise theirs to beat it to market? Roy 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class 158 productions Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 That’s quite out of character for Bachmann. Not like people wanted seal beam 45s for a decade then as soon as Heljan say they are doing one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 I would have thought the likes of accurascale would go for the obvious locos over units initially . Those crying out for some decent competition - I’m talking 31/50/56 here. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Class 158 productions Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, rob D2 said: I would have thought the likes of accurascale would go for the obvious locos over units initially . Those crying out for some decent competition - I’m talking 31/50/56 here. Given cavalax are now doing the mgr wagons to a high degree, 56 possible. The 31 is good just lacks liveries and looks a bit crude in some areas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted September 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Class 158 productions said: That’s quite out of character for Bachmann. Not like people wanted seal beam 45s for a decade then as soon as Heljan say they are doing one... Except you’d think in that case Bachmann would ensure its version appeared first, but... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Class 158 productions said: Given cavalax are now doing the mgr wagons to a high degree, 56 possible. The 31 is good just lacks liveries and looks a bit crude in some areas True , but it’s an old design . at least they stopped the rotating fan but still got the 8 pin socket , silly screws under bogies and apparently unconvincing side windows . I think I’ll be dead before Hornby do all the liveries (I’m 48) I think it’d be a steal for another company 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
2750Papyrus Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 Has the V2 now taken the record for the time to bring a steam loco model to market? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted September 26, 2020 Share Posted September 26, 2020 1 hour ago, 2750Papyrus said: Has the V2 now taken the record for the time to bring a steam loco model to market? Probably and the biggest hike in price. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted September 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 26, 2020 On 25/09/2020 at 19:02, Roy Langridge said: And as it is announced as a competing product, Bachmann suddenly prioritise theirs to beat it to market? Roy But there’s the dead hand of Kader . Have you ever known Bachmann to rush something into production , and as I’ve said likelihood is that Cavalex/Accurascale less expensive (different route to market gives them advantage) . Stepping stone to an electrostar Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted September 29, 2020 Author Share Posted September 29, 2020 The Bachmann website has updated the release dates for its models. Only the EFE Rail 1938 Tube Stock has had its release date revert to awaiting. Other changes from the previous update have been highlighted below. 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moving eyes DCC Ready 44494BE EZ Track Layout Expander Pack 58741BE Thomas The Tank Engine™ w/Moving Eyes DCC Ready 58742BE Percy The Small Engine w/Moving Eyes DCC Ready 58743BE James The Red Engine w/Moving Eyes DCC Ready 58744BE Gordon The Express Engine w/Moving Eyes DCC Ready 58747BE Toby The Tram Engine w/Moving Eyes DCC Ready 76034BE Gordons Express Composite Coach 76035BE Gordons Express Brake Coach 76038BE Red Coach 76039BE Red Brake Coach 76044BE Annie Carriage 76045BE Clarabel Carriage 77019BE Toad Brake Van 77028BE Henrietta Coach 77039BE Sodor Fuel Tank 77046BE Troublesome Truck No.1 77047BE Troublesome Truck No.2 77048BE Tidmouth Milk Tank Dec/Jan 31-740SF MR 1532 (1P) Tank 1273 Midland Railway Crimson Lake 31-741SF MR 1532 (1P) Tank 1303 LMS Black (Original) 31-742SF MR 1532 (1P) Tank 58072 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem) 32-755A Class 57/3 57314 Arriva Trains Wales (Revised) 32-756A Class 57/6 57602 'Restormel Castle' GWR Green (FirstGroup) 32-756ASF Class 57/6 57602 'Restormel Castle' GWR Green (FirstGroup) 38-163 BR 12T Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (TOPS) 38-170D BR 12T Plywood Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Early) 38-171D BR 12T Plywood Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Late) 38-375B LNER 12T Ventilated Van Planked Ends LNER Bauxite 38-381A LNER 12T Ventilated Van Corrugated Ends BR Bauxite (Late) 38-382 LNER 12T Ventilated Van Corrugated Ends BR Bauxite (Early) Jan/Feb 32-683RJ Class 45/0 No. 45022 'Lytham St. Annes' BR Blue 32-683RJSF Class 45/0 No. 45022 'Lytham St. Annes' BR Blue 32-684DB Class 45/0 No. 45040 'The King's Shropshire Light Infantry' 32-684DBSF Class 45/0 No. 45040 'The King's Shropshire Light Infantry' 32-685SD Class 45/0 No. 45041 'Royal Tank Regiment' BR Blue 32-685SDSF Class 45/0 No. 45041 'Royal Tank Regiment' BR Blue 32-686NF Class 45/0 No. 45046 'Royal Fusilier' BR Blue 32-686NFSF Class 45/0 No. 45046 'Royal Fusilier' BR Blue 32-687TL Class 45/0 No. 45049 'The Staffordshire Regiment (The Prince of Wales) 32-687TLSF Class 45/0 No. 45049 'The Staffordshire Regiment (The Prince of Wales) 35-125 Class 20/3 20306 DRS Blue 35-126 Class 20/3 20311 Harry Needle Railroad Company 35-127 Class 20/3 20312 DRS Compass (Original) Feb/Mar 32-929 Class 150/1 2-Car DMU 150115 BR Provincial (Original) [PF] 32-929SF Class 150/1 2-Car DMU 150115 BR Provincial (Original) 32-940 Class 150/2 2-Car DMU 150232 GWR Green (FirstGroup) [PF] Mar/Apr 32-941 Class 150/2 2-Car DMU 150275 Northern 38-230B BR 12T Ventilated Van Plywood Doors BR Bauxite (Early) 'ICI' 38-232 BR 12T Ventilated Van Plywood Doors BR Bauxite (TOPS) [W] 38-233 BR 12T Planked Vent. Van with Plywood Door BR Departmental Apr/May 31-186A LMS 5XP 'Jubilee' 45654 'Hood' BR Lined Green (Late Crest) 31-186ASF LMS 5XP 'Jubilee' 45654 'Hood' BR Lined Green (Late Crest) 33-088A 5 Plank China Clay Wagon GWR Grey With Tarpaulin Cover [W] 33-091 5 Plank China Clay 3-Wagon Pack BR Bauxite (Early) W-Covers 37-225J BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon Top Flap Doors BR Grey (Early) [W 37-227B BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon BR Grey (Late) [W] 37-239 BR 16T Steel Mineral 3-Wagon Pack BR Grey (Early) [W] [WL] 37-250J BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon Pressed End Door BR Grey [W] 37-256A BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon BR Bauxite (Early) [WL] 37-275G BR 27T Steel Tippler BR Grey (Early) 'Iron Ore' [W] 37-279A BR 27T Steel Tippler BR Bauxite (TOPS) 'Stone Traffic' [WL] 37-353B BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Grey (Early) [W] 37-354D BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Grey (Early) [WL] 37-355D BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Bauxite (Early) 37-357 BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Bauxite (Departmental) [W] May/Jun 31-490 Class 410 4-BEP 4-Car EMU BR (SR) Green (SYP) 31-491 Class 410 4-BEP 4-Car EMU 7010 BR Blue & Grey 32-682 Class 45/0 D53 'Royal Tank Regiment' BR Green (SYP) 32-682SF Class 45/0 D53 'Royal Tank Regiment' BR Green (SYP) 32-701A Class 46 Centre Headcode 46020 BR Blue 32-701ASF Class 46 Centre Headcode 46020 BR Blue 35-200 LNER V2 4791 LNER Lined Green (Original) 35-201 LNER V2 60845 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem) 35-202 LNER V2 60847 'St Peter's School' BR Lined Green (Late Crest 37-376D 16T Steel Mineral Wagon Pressed End Door MOT Bauxite [WL] 37-402 16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon 'Stewart & Lloyds' [WL] 37-425B 16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon BR Grey (Early) [W] 37-428 16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon 'Rother Vale' Black 37-429 16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon 'WD Barnett & Co.' [WL] Jun/Jul 31-932 LMS 4P Compound 41123 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem) 31-933A LMS 4P Compound 41143 BR Lined Black (Late Crest) 38-776A 20T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Shell BP' Black [W] 38-777A 20T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Esso' Black [W] 38-778 14T Class A Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'National Benzole' 38-779 14T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Fina' Black 38-780 14T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Regent Oil' Black 39-654 BR Mk2F FO First Open Virgin Trains (Original) 39-654DC BR Mk2F FO First Open Virgin Trains (Original) 39-679 BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open Virgin Trains (Original) 39-679DC BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open Virgin Trains (Original) 39-680 BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open ScotRail Saltire 39-680DC BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open ScotRail Saltire 39-687 BR Mk2F RFB Restaurant First Buffet Virgin Trains (Original) 39-687DC BR Mk2F RFB Restaurant First Buffet Virgin Trains (Original) Jul/Aug 39-703 BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open Virgin Trains (Original) 39-703DC BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open Virgin Trains (Original) 39-704 BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open ScotRail Saltire 39-704DC BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open ScotRail Saltire 3 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fireline Posted October 1, 2020 Share Posted October 1, 2020 Have they released any pictures of 94xx samples yet? My wallet is sort of hoping that they haven't! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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