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One of my biggest bugbears is manufacturers who churn out obscure diesel prototypes that only ran for about ten minutes and neglect the commonplace designs like 170s.  These are essential for a modern layout almost anywhere. I hope the wait is not too much longer. At least we now have a new batch of 170s in N gauge... although in N gauge we lack 158s...

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One I thought would probably do well without a lot of effort is a XC 220/221 with DCC. Not retooled just new circuit boards and LED lights.

 

Having said that it would probably be at least £300 making it not good enough feature wise for that amount of money.

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16 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

One I thought would probably do well without a lot of effort is a XC 220/221 with DCC. Not retooled just new circuit boards and LED lights.

 

Having said that it would probably be at least £300 making it not good enough feature wise for that amount of money.

 

I dunno - I was happy to pay big ticket for a sound 158 because it was a great product. There is also the new white livery 221 variation that may tempt some....? 

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21 minutes ago, fezza said:

 

I dunno - I was happy to pay big ticket for a sound 158 because it was a great product. There is also the new white livery 221 variation that may tempt some....? 

 

Yeah it was more that it may be low hanging fruit if it was just a few circuit boards, but would people pay £300+ for a DMU without internal lighting nowadays? And it would require 3 decoders which also wouldn't go down well with some.

 

Putting 1 decoder and internal lighting would mean a chassis (on 1 middle car) and coupler redesign, making it less of an easy win on Bachmann's part and probably putting it towards Pullman cost.

 

OTOH Hornby can do a better 5 car MU in the 800 than the 221 for well under £400 with low chassis and saloon lighting so maybe not.

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If it was a dmu that I wanted for my layout/collection, I would buy it. But I tell you now, after testing, 1st thing I do is rip out all the pcbs, and dcc wiring and lights, going back to simple pickups wired direct to motor (along with extra ones if I feel it necessary).

 

Stewart

 

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9 hours ago, fezza said:

One of my biggest bugbears is manufacturers who churn out obscure diesel prototypes that only ran for about ten minutes and neglect the commonplace designs like 170s.  These are essential for a modern layout almost anywhere. I hope the wait is not too much longer. At least we now have a new batch of 170s in N gauge... although in N gauge we lack 158s...

 

Following your logic here, why do we not have several Electrostar models on the market already?

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18 hours ago, TomScrut said:

One I thought would probably do well without a lot of effort is a XC 220/221 with DCC. Not retooled just new circuit boards and LED lights.

 

Having said that it would probably be at least £300 making it not good enough feature wise for that amount of money.

I have wanted a 220 and a 221, with good lighting and provision for a speaker since before XC days. With the lights in the end cars and the motor in the centre car, it can’t have been an easy job, or Bachmann would have done it by now. Present expectation would be up to 117/159* standard, so a new and expensive tooling would be required.

 

*With the lighting problem sorted out, of course.

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22 minutes ago, No Decorum said:

I have wanted a 220 and a 221, with good lighting and provision for a speaker since before XC days. With the lights in the end cars and the motor in the centre car, it can’t have been an easy job, or Bachmann would have done it by now. Present expectation would be up to 117/159* standard, so a new and expensive tooling would be required.

 

*With the lighting problem sorted out, of course.

 

I had a DC one I converted to DCC including at the ends but ended up selling it which I kinda regret. If it was a minter I'd probably still have it. But as you say the expectation, especially at the price Bachmann would likely try and sell it at, would be 158 etc. standard which would be a whole load more work.

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17 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

I had a DC one I converted to DCC including at the ends but ended up selling it which I kinda regret. If it was a minter I'd probably still have it. But as you say the expectation, especially at the price Bachmann would likely try and sell it at, would be 158 etc. standard which would be a whole load more work.

In their day, they were lovely models but just from the end of the DC only era. They would have set Hornby’s Pendolino off beautifully. Hornby’s Pendolino is a less sophisticated model, along the lines of the Javelin, but I have to hand it to Hornby; Hornby models were very quickly adapted to DCC when DCC became a thing. It’s shame Hornby has allowed itself to fall behind Bachmann, although Bachmann adapted much more slowly.

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1 hour ago, No Decorum said:

Bachmann would have done it by now.

Given their not entirely undeserved reputation for geological lead times, Bachman might have announced but if they had, there’s no chance they’d have done it...

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29 minutes ago, No Decorum said:

It’s shame Hornby has allowed itself to fall behind Bachmann, although Bachmann adapted much more slowly.

 

My main bugbear with Hornby at the moment is 8 pin decoders, and their insistence on using common negative on lighting making mods more difficult. Model wise I have no complaints on my 60, 67 and 800. The HST is a bit long in the tooth but in general I think they are good. And in the case of the 800 I think it's good value too.

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2 hours ago, TomScrut said:

 

My main bugbear with Hornby at the moment is 8 pin decoders, and their insistence on using common negative on lighting making mods more difficult. Model wise I have no complaints on my 60, 67 and 800. The HST is a bit long in the tooth but in general I think they are good. And in the case of the 800 I think it's good value too.

 

and in the case of the Class 87 its a very recent tooling with poor lighting options and limited decoder/speaker space inside. Not good enough for new tooling

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On 24/09/2020 at 11:38, TomScrut said:

 

My main bugbear with Hornby at the moment is 8 pin decoders, and their insistence on using common negative on lighting making mods more difficult. Model wise I have no complaints on my 60, 67 and 800. The HST is a bit long in the tooth but in general I think they are good. And in the case of the 800 I think it's good value too.

I see even Heljan are moving on to 21 pin with the new class 86.

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Reference the 170 .  It remains to be seen just how far Bachmann are on with this . My feeling is probably not very . Someone like Accurascale could come in and pinch it from under their nose . Bachmann are just too slow and on the high end when it comes to price . Accurascale or Cavalex could compete . It’s not like the 91 where Hornby would compete on price with Cavalex . With Bachmann I would have thought Accurascale and  Cavalex have every possibility of being less expensive. 

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49 minutes ago, Legend said:

Reference the 170 .  It remains to be seen just how far Bachmann are on with this . My feeling is probably not very . Someone like Accurascale could come in and pinch it from under their nose . Bachmann are just too slow and on the high end when it comes to price . Accurascale or Cavalex could compete . It’s not like the 91 where Hornby would compete on price with Cavalex . With Bachmann I would have thought Accurascale and  Cavalex have every possibility of being less expensive. 

And as it is announced as a competing product, Bachmann suddenly prioritise theirs to beat it to market?
 

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4 minutes ago, rob D2 said:

I would have thought the likes of accurascale would go for the obvious locos over units initially . Those crying out for some decent competition - I’m talking 31/50/56 here.

Given cavalax are now doing the mgr wagons to a high degree, 56 possible. The 31 is good just lacks liveries and looks a bit crude in some areas 

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7 hours ago, Class 158 productions said:

That’s quite out of character for Bachmann. Not like people wanted seal beam 45s for a decade then as soon as Heljan say they are doing one...


Except you’d think in that case Bachmann would ensure its version appeared first, but...

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7 hours ago, Class 158 productions said:

Given cavalax are now doing the mgr wagons to a high degree, 56 possible. The 31 is good just lacks liveries and looks a bit crude in some areas 

True , but it’s an old design .

 

at least they stopped the rotating fan but still got the 8 pin socket , silly screws under bogies and apparently unconvincing side windows .
 

I think I’ll be dead before Hornby do all the liveries (I’m 48)

 

I think it’d be a steal for another company 

 

 

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On 25/09/2020 at 19:02, Roy Langridge said:

And as it is announced as a competing product, Bachmann suddenly prioritise theirs to beat it to market?
 

Roy


But there’s the dead hand of Kader . Have you ever known Bachmann to rush something into production , and as I’ve said likelihood is that Cavalex/Accurascale less expensive (different route to market gives them advantage) . Stepping stone to an electrostar 

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The Bachmann website has updated the release dates for its models.

 

Only the EFE Rail 1938 Tube Stock has had its release date revert to awaiting. Other changes from the previous update have been highlighted below.

 

Oct/Nov    
31-390    Class 414 2-HAP 2-Car EMU 6061 BR (SR) Green
31-391    Class 414 2-HAP 2-Car EMU 6063 BR Blue & Grey
31-392    Class 414 2-HAP 2-Car EMU 4308 BR Network SouthEast
31-998    LMS 10001 BR Black (Early Emblem)
32-486    Class 40 Split Headcode 40142 BR Blue
32-486SF    Class 40 Split Headcode 40142 BR Blue

32-529C    Class 55 D9010 'The King's Own Scottish Borderer' BR Grn SYP
32-529CSF    Class 55 D9010 'The King's Own Scottish Borderer' BR Grn SYP
32-532A    Class 55 'Deltic' 55003 'Meld' BR Blue
32-532ASF    Class 55 'Deltic' 55003 'Meld' BR Blue
32-734BSF    Class 66/0 66117 DB Cargo
32-739SF    Class 66/4 66419 Freightliner G&W - Sound Fitted
32-740    Class 66/7 66789 'British Rail 1948-1997' GBRf BR Blue
32-740SF    Class 66/7 66789 'British Rail 1948-1997' GBRf BR Blue
32-741    Class 66/7 66783 'The Flying Dustman' GBRf 'Biffa' Red
32-741SF    Class 66/7 66783 'The Flying Dustman' GBRf 'Biffa' Red
32-983    Class 66/7 66779 'Evening Star' GBRf Brunswick Green
37-659C    14T Tank Wagon 'National Mobil' Silver
37-680B    14T Tank Wagon 'Fina' Silver
38-076D    SR 12T Plywood Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Early)
38-077    SR 12T Plywood Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Late) [W]
38-080C    SR 12T 2+2 Planked Ventilated Van LMS Grey
38-081C    SR 12T 2+2 Planked Ventilated Van BR Grey (Early) [W]
38-082D    SR 12T 2+2 Planked Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Early) [W]
38-083A    SR 12T 2+2 Planked Ventilated Van GWR Grey
38-401B    SR 25T 'Pill Box' Brake Van Left-Hand Duckets BR Grey [W]
    
Nov/Dec    
31-740    MR 1532 (1P) Tank 1273 Midland Railway Crimson Lake
31-741    MR 1532 (1P) Tank 1303 LMS Black (Original)
31-742    MR 1532 (1P) Tank 58072 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem)
31-999    LMS 10000 BR Black (Early Emblem)
32-734B    Class 66/0 66117 DB Cargo
32-739    Class 66/4 66419 Freightliner G&W

32-908    Class 108 2-Car DMU BR Blue & Grey
32-983SF    Class 66/7 66779 'Evening Star' GBRf Brunswick Green
35-025    GWR 94XX Pannier Tank 9402 GWR Green (GWR)
35-026    GWR 94XX Pannier Tank 9487 BR Black (Early Emblem)
35-027    GWR 94XX Pannier Tank 9479 BR Black (Late Crest)
38-402B    SR 25T 'Pill Box' Brake Van Right-Hand Duckets BR Bauxite [W
39-175F    BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed BR Blue & Grey [W]
39-180A    BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed BR InterCity (Executive)
39-184B    BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed Royal Mail Letters
39-190    BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed Generator Van Network Rail Yellow
39-200D    BR Mk1 BG Brake Gangwayed High Security Rail Express Systems
39-275A    BR Mk1 GUV General Utility Van Royal Mail Letters
00642BE    Thomas with Annie and Clarabel - moving eyes DCC Ready
44494BE    EZ Track Layout Expander Pack
58741BE    Thomas The Tank Engine™ w/Moving Eyes DCC Ready
58742BE    Percy The Small Engine w/Moving Eyes DCC Ready
58743BE    James The Red Engine w/Moving Eyes DCC Ready
58744BE    Gordon The Express Engine w/Moving Eyes DCC Ready
58747BE    Toby The Tram Engine w/Moving Eyes DCC Ready
76034BE    Gordons Express Composite Coach
76035BE    Gordons Express Brake Coach
76038BE    Red Coach
76039BE    Red Brake Coach
76044BE    Annie Carriage
76045BE    Clarabel Carriage
77019BE    Toad Brake Van
77028BE    Henrietta Coach
77039BE    Sodor Fuel Tank
77046BE    Troublesome Truck No.1
77047BE    Troublesome Truck No.2
77048BE    Tidmouth Milk Tank
    
Dec/Jan        
31-740SF    MR 1532 (1P) Tank 1273 Midland Railway Crimson Lake
31-741SF    MR 1532 (1P) Tank 1303 LMS Black (Original)
31-742SF    MR 1532 (1P) Tank 58072 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem)

32-755A    Class 57/3 57314 Arriva Trains Wales (Revised)
32-756A    Class 57/6 57602 'Restormel Castle' GWR Green (FirstGroup)
32-756ASF    Class 57/6 57602 'Restormel Castle' GWR Green (FirstGroup)
38-163    BR 12T Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (TOPS)
38-170D    BR 12T Plywood Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Early)
38-171D    BR 12T Plywood Ventilated Van BR Bauxite (Late)
38-375B    LNER 12T Ventilated Van Planked Ends LNER Bauxite
38-381A    LNER 12T Ventilated Van Corrugated Ends BR Bauxite (Late)
38-382    LNER 12T Ventilated Van Corrugated Ends BR Bauxite (Early)
    
Jan/Feb    
32-683RJ    Class 45/0 No. 45022 'Lytham St. Annes' BR Blue
32-683RJSF    Class 45/0 No. 45022 'Lytham St. Annes' BR Blue
32-684DB    Class 45/0 No. 45040 'The King's Shropshire Light Infantry'
32-684DBSF    Class 45/0 No. 45040 'The King's Shropshire Light Infantry'
32-685SD    Class 45/0 No. 45041 'Royal Tank Regiment' BR Blue
32-685SDSF    Class 45/0 No. 45041 'Royal Tank Regiment' BR Blue
32-686NF    Class 45/0 No. 45046 'Royal Fusilier' BR Blue
32-686NFSF    Class 45/0 No. 45046 'Royal Fusilier' BR Blue
32-687TL    Class 45/0 No. 45049 'The Staffordshire Regiment (The Prince of Wales)
32-687TLSF    Class 45/0 No. 45049 'The Staffordshire Regiment (The Prince of Wales)
35-125    Class 20/3 20306 DRS Blue
35-126    Class 20/3 20311 Harry Needle Railroad Company
35-127    Class 20/3 20312 DRS Compass (Original)
    
Feb/Mar    
32-929    Class 150/1 2-Car DMU 150115 BR Provincial (Original) [PF]
32-929SF    Class 150/1 2-Car DMU 150115 BR Provincial (Original)
32-940    Class 150/2 2-Car DMU 150232 GWR Green (FirstGroup) [PF]
    
Mar/Apr    
32-941    Class 150/2 2-Car DMU 150275 Northern
38-230B    BR 12T Ventilated Van Plywood Doors BR Bauxite (Early) 'ICI'
38-232    BR 12T Ventilated Van Plywood Doors BR Bauxite (TOPS) [W]
38-233    BR 12T Planked Vent. Van with Plywood Door BR Departmental
    
Apr/May    
31-186A    LMS 5XP 'Jubilee' 45654 'Hood' BR Lined Green (Late Crest)
31-186ASF    LMS 5XP 'Jubilee' 45654 'Hood' BR Lined Green (Late Crest)
33-088A    5 Plank China Clay Wagon GWR Grey With Tarpaulin Cover [W]
33-091    5 Plank China Clay 3-Wagon Pack BR Bauxite (Early) W-Covers
37-225J    BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon Top Flap Doors BR Grey (Early) [W
37-227B    BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon BR Grey (Late) [W]
37-239    BR 16T Steel Mineral 3-Wagon Pack BR Grey (Early) [W] [WL]
37-250J    BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon Pressed End Door BR Grey [W]
37-256A    BR 16T Steel Mineral Wagon BR Bauxite (Early) [WL]
37-275G    BR 27T Steel Tippler BR Grey (Early) 'Iron Ore' [W]
37-279A    BR 27T Steel Tippler BR Bauxite (TOPS) 'Stone Traffic' [WL]
37-353B    BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Grey (Early) [W]
37-354D    BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Grey (Early) [WL]
37-355D    BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Bauxite (Early)
37-357    BR 13T Steel Sand Tippler BR Bauxite (Departmental) [W]
    
May/Jun    
31-490    Class 410 4-BEP 4-Car EMU BR (SR) Green (SYP)
31-491    Class 410 4-BEP 4-Car EMU 7010 BR Blue & Grey
32-682    Class 45/0 D53 'Royal Tank Regiment' BR Green (SYP)
32-682SF    Class 45/0 D53 'Royal Tank Regiment' BR Green (SYP)
32-701A    Class 46 Centre Headcode 46020 BR Blue
32-701ASF    Class 46 Centre Headcode 46020 BR Blue
35-200    LNER V2 4791 LNER Lined Green (Original)
35-201    LNER V2 60845 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem)
35-202    LNER V2 60847 'St Peter's School' BR Lined Green (Late Crest
37-376D    16T Steel Mineral Wagon Pressed End Door MOT Bauxite [WL]
37-402    16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon 'Stewart & Lloyds' [WL]
37-425B    16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon BR Grey (Early) [W]
37-428    16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon 'Rother Vale' Black
37-429    16T Steel Slope-Sided Mineral Wagon 'WD Barnett & Co.' [WL]
    
Jun/Jul    
31-932    LMS 4P Compound 41123 BR Lined Black (Early Emblem)
31-933A    LMS 4P Compound 41143 BR Lined Black (Late Crest)
38-776A    20T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Shell BP' Black [W]
38-777A    20T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Esso' Black [W]
38-778    14T Class A Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'National Benzole'
38-779    14T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Fina' Black
38-780    14T Class B Anchor-Mounted Tank Wagon 'Regent Oil' Black
39-654    BR Mk2F FO First Open Virgin Trains (Original)
39-654DC    BR Mk2F FO First Open Virgin Trains (Original)
39-679    BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open Virgin Trains (Original)
39-679DC    BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open Virgin Trains (Original)
39-680    BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open ScotRail Saltire
39-680DC    BR Mk2F TSO Tourist Second Open ScotRail Saltire
39-687    BR Mk2F RFB Restaurant First Buffet Virgin Trains (Original)
39-687DC    BR Mk2F RFB Restaurant First Buffet Virgin Trains (Original)
    
Jul/Aug    
39-703    BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open Virgin Trains (Original)
39-703DC    BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open Virgin Trains (Original)
39-704    BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open ScotRail Saltire
39-704DC    BR Mk2F BSO Brake Second Open ScotRail Saltire

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