letterspider Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 I am trying to recreate this test train formation Taken from http://www.traintesting.com/APT-P_power_car_test_train.htm However I haven't decided how to modify the APT coupling. Has anyone else come up with a simple solution? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 (edited) I would suggest better to modify the coupling of the barrier vehicles to match the APT. I expect that in real life the barrier vehicles would only be coupled to the power car or each other, so coupling compatibility of that end of the barrier vehicles does not have to match anything else on your layout. I have a feeling that other rolling stock besides the Hornby APT use that coupling, Pacers I think do and possibly others so that spares are not too difficult to obtain. Edited December 2, 2019 by Titan 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 Hi Mr Spider, Interesting project you are having a go at here. There were various combinations of test train some as the photos you have posted with just the one ATP power car and some with two APT power cars. In BR Fleet Survey No, 5 there is a photograph of of one of the HST power cars, Test Coach 9 and the TBF from set 370 002, the diagram may be found below: http://www.traintesting.com/APT-P_trailer_test_train.htm There are photos of class' 31. 40 ad 47 providing traction also. Happy hunting, Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted December 2, 2019 Author Share Posted December 2, 2019 Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted December 3, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 3, 2019 APT/Pacer coupling is part number L5313, the pivot pin holding it to the bogie frame is L5370. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted December 3, 2019 Share Posted December 3, 2019 19 minutes ago, RedgateModels said: APT/Pacer coupling is part number L5313, the pivot pin holding it to the bogie frame is L5370. Haha - when I first read this in preview I thought somehow that the real APT and Pacers shared some coupling technology 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted December 7, 2019 Author Share Posted December 7, 2019 On 03/12/2019 at 08:24, RedgateModels said: APT/Pacer coupling is part number L5313, the pivot pin holding it to the bogie frame is L5370. Thanks I will order several, as I managed to break one of the APT pins. This still leaves the problem of the HST P power car... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
47164 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 Genesis kits used to produce a pair of pewter cabs which marry easily to an early Hornby Hst body ( bein correct as it has the rear driving cab), although the bogies were awful, and Lima’s more accurate.... the only downside for you is that I think the chap who ran genesis kits retired , someone on the forum may know the current state of play... and of course i might be wrong and apologies if so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
muddy water Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 (edited) Interesting project!! Do you have any photos of the two test/ barrier coaches? Which make of coaches did you use and what modifications? Edited January 9, 2020 by muddy water Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 I have a Bachmann Mark 1 which I resprayed as test car 5 and a Mk1 brake which I converted to Prometheus I am trying to model this - taken from the traintesting website 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticman Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I discovered this thread whilst searching t`internet for detail photographs of RTC Test Car 5 as I am building a model of the APT power car test train and was wondering letterspider if you finished yours. I would love to see photos of the finished model. Geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 A lot has happened since my last post - I sold the APT power car once I heard about the new tooling If the 7 car set has two NDM's and one is non powered - then that is ideal for this project. So I will post updates once that arrives (hopefully before Christmas) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticman Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Sounds like a good plan, these test trains are a good subject to model being short and having a splash of colour to break up the monotony of the ubiquitous blue and grey. I am modelling the APT power car test train comprising :- Prototype HST power car (Hornby Railroad with plain wheelsets and the Genesis pewter cab) Test Service Car No8 (Bachmann Mk1 RFO with cut and shut sides) Hornby APT power car 1980 model (motor removed and Sommerfeldt pantograph fitted) Test Car 5 (Hornby Railroad Mk1 BSK) I get easily distracted (inspired?) by other projects such as my TransPennine hybrid Class 123/124 set amongst others so work gets interupted then resumes months later. Geoff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter749 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 On 07/11/2021 at 14:45, delticman said: Prototype HST power car (Hornby Railroad with plain wheelsets and the Genesis pewter cab) Shame the Genesis pewter cab is not available any more. I wonder if Hornby might make the prototype - they have a chassis 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticman Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 11 hours ago, Peter749 said: Shame the Genesis pewter cab is not available any more. I wonder if Hornby might make the prototype - they have a chassis Didn`t Rapido Trains announce that they were to produce the prototype HST and then have a change of heart? I agree Hornby could cash in by producing it, I am sure it would sell. The Genesis cabs were quite rough castings and needed a bit of fettling to get them to look presentable. Geoff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted November 30, 2021 Share Posted November 30, 2021 The coaches are not entirely accurate as I am still making the correct versions but just for effect and a way of running my powered APT power car. Untitled by Shane Wilton, on Flickr 13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticman Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Very nice Wolf27, it certainly looks the part. I take it the prototype HST power cars are unmotored? Geoff Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 21 hours ago, delticman said: Very nice Wolf27, it certainly looks the part. I take it the prototype HST power cars are unmotored? Geoff For this test train, yes. Once I get the unpowered NDM, I can swap about for a powered HST powercar if need be. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticman Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 Here is my test train, still very much a work in progress, the only vehicles fully finished are the APT power car and Test Car 5. 5 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticman Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 In answer to your original question letterspider about adapting the coupling on the APT power car, I totally removed the original couplings from the bogies and bolted Kadee No.5 couplings directly to the body as in the photo. I don`t have any tight radius curves on my railway and there is enough lateral play on the adjoining coach bogies to give trouble free running even when the body tilts. Geoff 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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