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1 hour ago, AY Mod said:

 

The response you should have received from the team includes the following which should be helpful to others too:

 

 

No problems in the two previous visits, and yes I got a reply to my query. My own queries are now resolved. However, in view of that received response it might perhaps be prudent to revisit what the electrics section says on the A-Z page.

 

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6 hours ago, john new said:

No problems in the two previous visits, and yes I got a reply to my query. My own queries are now resolved. However, in view of that received response it might perhaps be prudent to revisit what the electrics section says on the A-Z page.

 

In light of a PM received I am adding that have not shared the exchange of emails as (a) quite lengthy and (b) any statement regarding updates to what the exhibitors A-Z states should come from the organisers so as to be official policy.

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On 13/02/2020 at 19:26, 40F said:

Another interesting one

 

Undercutting: As Organisers’ of the event we would request that traders do not enter into a price war by undercutting. This is not in the best interest of the show or the hobby.

 

So does that mean price fixing then?

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2 hours ago, polybear said:

 

So does that mean price fixing then

 

No. You will see that every year there is healthy competition, and that the trader with the lower price  of a particular product normally sells out quickly on the Saturday (given the level of passing eyes and buyers), and those with the higher price sell most if not all of their product at the price they want over the rest of the weekend. Having said that, there is rarely much difference and tbh there are still plenty of attractive things to buy a decent prices later on Saturday and Sunday - it's still cheaper than paying the postage. 

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It has to be said generally at shows bargains are much more scarce than they used to be especially in my specialism of N gauge where compared with tables crammed with OO, N scale is sometimes almost non existent. 

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Just reading through the copious amount of paperwork sent out to us exhibitors, and saw this:

 

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Kettles: These are prohibited in the exhibition halls

 

So, diesel and electric locomotives only this weekend then? :wacko:

 

 

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Sadly I cant make it to this years Ally Pally show, but I was wondering if we have dates for the 2021 show yet. 

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Content of this (and my own) follow up posts deleted. The question I asked should have been via PM not the open forum. With apologies to all concerned.

 

It would be appreciated if the posts also quoting me could be deleted too. I leave it up to the moderators to decide if other posts should be deleted.

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Hindsight = posted in too much haste.
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1 hour ago, john new said:

Given the spread of the coronavirus is any consideration being given by Warners to postponement or cancellation? As one of the key crew for the Society stand I am not sure I want to be in such a mass crowd, model trains are hardly a must-do, essential, activity, and I am sure I won't be the only one considering our options.

 

(NB I am a retired Emergency Planning Officer)

 

Surely, that depends on the nature of the virus and how it spreads.

 

If, as I have read, it is spread by contact, then masks will have no effect and as long as you don't shake hands, it seems low risk

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Trouble is exhibition is still 3 weeks away and anything can happen in the meantime. Therefore it is difficult to plan that far in the future, for instance booking a place on the club coach. So I have decided to give it a miss. 

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With the uncertainty surrounding, and caused by, the virus, now would be a good time to test the theory that real ale kills all known germs.

 

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5 minutes ago, chrisf said:

With the uncertainty surrounding, and caused by, the virus, now would be a good time to test the theory that real ale kills all known germs.

 

Chris

 

I thought that was Domestos.

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2 hours ago, john new said:

Given the spread of the coronavirus is any consideration being given by Warners to postponement or cancellation? As one of the key crew for the Society stand I am not sure I want to be in such a mass crowd, model trains are hardly a must-do, essential, activity, and I am sure I won't be the only one considering our options.

 

(NB I am a retired Emergency Planning Officer)

 

I'm sure they are looking at the various possibilities. You don't postpone an event like this - it's impossible to re-book the hall and all the exhibits as you'd never find another weekend when the place and the exhibitors were free. Nor do you organise something like this at the drop of a hat.

 

My guess is that cancellation would incur very severe financial penalties, it's unlikely Ally Pally would waive the massive bill for the hall hire, or the hotels the accommodation booked, so unless there were some sort of government edict banning events which would appease insurance companies, then I think it's unlikely. However, as others have said, 3 weeks is a long time.

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10 minutes ago, john new said:

Concur re the reality of costs etc., It would only be a drop in the ocean overall but, as just one example, our hotel for the weekend is already booked/paid for on a pre-pay discounted deal but with no refund if cancelling, that got us the substantial discount over paying on check-out. However, the dilemma is, whether the taking the potential risk to life is worth it?

 

It's a (relatively) free world. Each potential participant (visitor, exhibitor, trader) must make their own decisions at this stage. Anything can happen in the next 3 weeks!

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31 minutes ago, john new said:

Concur re the reality of costs etc., It would only be a drop in the ocean overall but, as just one example, our hotel for the weekend is already booked/paid for on a pre-pay discounted deal but with no refund if cancelling, that got us the substantial discount over paying on check-out. However, the dilemma is, whether the taking the potential risk to life is worth it?

 

Surely the decision to attend or not is down to individuals?

 

You are asking for the organisers to ignore current advice and throw away tens of thousands of pounds based on no government advice. Why is a model railway show more dangerous than a football match for example? Or a wedding? Are you planning to cancel York show?

 

The current advice from the NHS is here.

 

Current government advice is here.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, john new said:

 

 

Why did I ask? - I had read earlier (just before posting) a news feed item that football were considering cancelling the remaining prem' league fixtures but that news hasn't appeared anywhere else so was possibly an attempt to make false news.

 

Probably started by Liverpool supporters.....

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28 minutes ago, newbryford said:

 

Probably started by Liverpool supporters.....

Or Alex Ferguson 

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The whole virus thing is being blown out of all proportion by the media, it's a bug, blow you nose, wash your hands, keep calm and carry on.

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14 hours ago, john new said:

No, I was not asking for it to be closed, just asking whether that was being considered. (That question now answered).

 

We (SLS) have a book launch planned for the event, I expect if HMG's advice at the end of the day in three weeks time is still low risk we will be there.

 

Why did I ask? - I had read earlier (just before posting) a news feed item that football were considering cancelling the remaining prem' league fixtures but that news hasn't appeared anywhere else so was possibly an attempt to make false news.

 

Edit: Just one of several similar news items on possibly cancelled football matches  

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2020/02/28/no-guarantee-liverpool-would-crowned-premier-league-champions/

 

 

It is far too early to get any meaningful information let alone give a meaningful answer so until there are significant events or information it's not fair to raise questions which cannot be answered. For now, plans proceed as usual.

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32 minutes ago, John M Upton said:

The whole virus thing is being blown out of all proportion by the media, it's a bug, blow you nose, wash your hands, keep calm and carry on.

Is it?

 

The NHS are clearly preparing for something and having ships isolated at ports would suggest governments are concerned so I think it is more than just a bug.

 

But I agree with the sentiment that good hygiene is probably a big player in controlling it's spread and we do need to carry on as normal as we can otherwise we will all just be crippled with fear. 

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I have decided that from now on I will carry an air horn and sound it each time a dirty person leaves the loo after a number one or two (yes some do) without washing their hands...you know who you are.

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14 hours ago, newbryford said:

 

Probably started by Liverpool supporters.....

 

Actually started by The Sun and Daily Mail. Seems they'll try anything to stop Liverpool winning....

 

 

 

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33 minutes ago, Chrisr40 said:

I have decided that from now on I will carry an air horn and sound it each time a dirty person leaves the loo after a number one or two (yes some do) without washing their hands...you know who you are.

 

It's a respiratory virus. Far more likely to get it from people coughing or sneezing rather than bad toilet habits. Washing hands is always a good idea though.

 

However it's totally harmless to the vast majority of people, most of us would just get mild flu symptoms. It's those who are vulnerable where the problem exists. Asthmatics, heart or lung problems, the very elderly, etc.

 

Some basic statistics to put it into context.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51674743

 

 

 

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I have just been told, that it has been announced that the Government is banning all events where there would be more than 5,000 people.   Didn't hear it myself, so cannot comment on this.

Does the London festival fall within this ban and if so, will there be a refund on tickets sold?

 

Personally I would still attend, don't plan on kissing anyone or shaking hands :-)

However, the friend that I am coming with does have a serious condition, so he may choose not to attend.

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2 hours ago, AyJay said:

have just been told, that it has been announced that the Government is banning all events where there would be more than 5,000 people.   Didn't hear it myself, so cannot comment on this.

 

Well I can't see anything on the news sites right now (unless you are privy to info that the BBC and others are not)  so it looks like you're spreading 'fake news'. So what's the point of your second sentence when all you want to do is pass on misinformation?

 

Thanks for wasting my time on a Saturday afternoon.

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