Jump to content

robertcwp

Bachmann headcode box 24

Recommended Posts

On 27/03/2020 at 16:06, Clive Mortimore said:

Thanks. I am glad some knows what that odd shape thingy is.

 

There is a set of steps for the boiler filler hatch access in the detail pack.

 

 

24's had a top water filler with cover (dead fun filling using that) while 25's had a side hatch. 25/3 even thou not fitted with a boiler had the hatch but was blanked off when built, could never understand why they even cut it out in the first place.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
23 minutes ago, Porcy Mane said:

 

Got one this afternoon. 24 hr delivery from rails. Excellent job from them and Royal mail.

 

1771024722_Bmann-2020-24-001EditSm.jpg.f1838816e82b63585c8d39bd0b00f612.jpg

 

Had to get behind the spigots to "punch" them out without damage. Same with the roof detail. First RTR model I've come across were an excess of adhesive has been used to secure individual components.

Nice touch is the motor bogie centres are now cast metal with the 2mm axles running in phosphor bronze horn blocks. Should make springing a cinch.

 

The motor is an 1830.

 

P

Seeing the water tank comes off suggest a 25/0 could be on the books, so do I convert one of mine or just renumber it?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
18 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Seeing the water tank comes off suggest a 25/0 could be on the books, so do I convert one of mine or just renumber it?

 

Just needs the boiler exhaust filing flush and the two 1mm holes left by the removal of the intake canopy filling. Blanking plate from 5 thou, Handwheels for the battery boxes and the jobs a good-un.

 

The Sulzer exhaust port on the other hand...   ...   ...

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 27/03/2020 at 14:37, Porcy Mane said:

 

You'll be meaning the boilers, air intake shroud.

 

 

Coolant systems.

 

This any good?

 

944179926_AEIpubDept-PwD-Coll.jpg.83d40b98d680013a00779d2f9eef349c.jpg

 

Why did Bachmann omit the additional bogie step or is it in an accessory pack? There doesn't appear to be any fixing holes in the bogie.

 

Good shot of 1st generation class 25 roof in original condition (but the hinged filler covers removed/lost) here:

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BRITISH-RAIL-RAILWAY-DIESEL-PHOTO-1960S-SULZER-TYPE-2-D5153-DERAILED-AUG-1967/123835620334?hash=item1cd52d9bee:g:swgAAOSwfSldKz9h

 

The roof panelling variations can be a nightmare once the works visits started and roof sections started getting swapped about from original. It's definitely one of those occasions that, if accuracy bothers you, you really need a top down phot of your prototype in the period you're modelling.

 

P

 

Thanks Porky

 

theres more photos of that incident here...

 

https://www.derbysulzers.com/25003.html

 

Good photos of roof details on locos are not that common are they!

 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, Porcy Mane said:

 

Got one this afternoon. 24 hr delivery from rails. Excellent job from them and Royal mail.

 

1771024722_Bmann-2020-24-001EditSm.jpg.f1838816e82b63585c8d39bd0b00f612.jpg

 

Had to get behind the spigots to "punch" them out without damage. Same with the roof detail. First RTR model I've come across were an excess of adhesive has been used to secure individual components.

Nice touch is the motor bogie centres are now cast metal with the 2mm axles running in phosphor bronze horn blocks. Should make springing a cinch.

 

The motor is an 1830.

 

P

How do you access the motor for oiling,  thanks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, paul 27 said:

How do you access the motor for oiling,  thanks.

 

Disconnect the main circuit board JST connectors.

 

Lift off main circuit board after removing its 6 retaining screws. To save unsoldering the tail lamp circuit boards from the main circuit board you can take out their respective self tappers then lift them off with the main board as a single unit.

 

The motor is retained under a metal plate held by a further four countersunk screws. After removing the plate the motor simply lifts out whilst "jiggling" the driveshafts free.

 

If you forget how to put it back together the silk screen printed arrow points to the № 1 (radiator) end. Better still; use your phone to take a snap before you start.

 

If your motor is anything like mine it shouldn't need oiling. Mine had too much. I rarely lubricate motor bearings as the oil has a tendency to creep to where it's not needed.

 

P

  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks Porky Mane,  I don't think mine does its quiet  in one direction but leading number 1 end

has a motor rattle noise.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Posted (edited)

24/1 Cab lights.  Although fitted, these will not work on DC as supplied because Bachmann fitted the wrong type of blanking plug.  They will work if you replace the blanking plug with one that has the 2 little black boxes (diodes) as fitted to DCC ready 37's etc.  

 

I've now lubricated the bogie worms/motor bearings (very lightly) removed the caps across the motor wires and adjusted the pick-ups so they now touch the wheel backs at all times, result - it now runs perfectly. Final job is to change over the headcode blinds to domino's. 

HTH

Edited by tractor_37260
update text
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 19/03/2020 at 10:04, iak said:

Gentlemen,

I think the earlier comparisons with SLW are a little unfair since D1051’s pictures contrasted the very newest Bachmann release with one of the original Sutton’s models. The SLW Class 24 got upgraded last year with a number of improvements. This included much better radiator grilles, new glazing and re-done wipers. I fully expect these changes will be incorporated into the Scottish version of the Class 24/1 that SLW are currently working on and that I ordered months ago. 

 

I have one of the latest SLW locos in blue as 24009 in P4 – it’s a peach… There are some pictures useful for comparison over on the SLW page:

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/105551-suttons-locomotive-works-class-24/&do=findComment&comment=3776209

 

As I see it, there are quite a few areas of concern on the new Bachmann model which seem to have be overlooked so far. As Clive Mortimore said, the deal-breaker is the horrible fake body/chassis split-line which completely ruins the model - it is very obvious around the lower front ends and cabsides. I don’t see any way of correcting or removing it because that is where the body comes off. Bachmann have also missed off the real panel lines above the row of bolts. The complex fairing shape in the bufferbeam area is probably the most distinctive part of a Class 24. I am surprised this was not picked up in the magazine reviews I have read so far.

 

Time spent looking in more detail is rewarding - here are some other observations.

Triangle body panel – BACH Raised (wrong);  SLW Flush (correct) 

Battery switch cover – BACH Flat;  SLW Removable and detail behind.

Boiler blow valve – BACH Detail missing;  SLW Raised detail present.

Roof coolant outlet – BACH Moulded square;  SLW Etched detail.

Main radiator grille – BACH moulded;  SLW Etched metal.

Roof fan and boiler grilles – BACH Plastic;  SLW Etched metal.

Small side grilles – BACH Moulded body colour;  SLW Separate coloured.

Cab handrails – BACH Crude overscale plastic;  SLW Fine metal (etch?)

Sandpipes – BACH Simple bent wire;  SLW Detailed plastic with valves. 

Solebar fairings – BACH Plain mould;  SLW Detailed with joins/labels.

Bogie pipe runs – BACH Moulded on;  SLW Separate detail parts.

Silencer/exhaust port – BACH Moulded on;  SLW Separate parts.

Cab footstep – BACH Blanked behind;  SLW Open through step.

Coupling mount – BACH Basic bogie fixing;  SLW Chassis kinematic. 

Cab inside - BACH Relatively simple;  SLW Detailed with printing. 

DCC sound – BACH Single speaker;  SLW Twin speaker system.

Disassembly – BACH Lots of screws!;  SLW Four simple clips. 

 

The Bachmann central roof panel is also very bland and fixings are in the wrong position compared to photographs of 24137 see https://flic.kr/p/Qj613Q

I do hope these comments are taken in the way intended and it doesn’t descend into a shouting match, as over in the Heljan diesel thread.

 

My pennies are with SLW. What do others think?

Completely ruins the model? Really? Nothing like a bit of hyperbole to make a point ;-)

  • Like 2
  • Agree 1
  • Funny 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well on its way to being a 25/0 -

 

767508170_25003tobe.JPG.06313c81311f636b36171261712e2831.JPG

 

Turns out that 25 003 is the only one that matches the details and my timeframe. Kev.

  • Like 3

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, kevpeo said:

Well on its way to being a 25/0 -

 

767508170_25003tobe.JPG.06313c81311f636b36171261712e2831.JPG

 

Turns out that 25 003 is the only one that matches the details and my timeframe. Kev.

Nice , is that's all that's needed to convert it? i was contemplating 003 myself but also 007

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It seems to be, and 25 sounds too of course! The roof photo's of 003 posted earlier show the original exhaust layout but later shots show the same layout as the model. Kev.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
8 minutes ago, sulzer71 said:

Nice , is that's all that's needed to convert it? i was contemplating 003 myself but also 007

 

See @Porcy Mane's post back up the page....

 

Exhaust arrangement dependant on your time frame - good luck in identifying whats right. the roof shot of D5153 is the best I have seen, early arrangement with silencer unlike the blue model - both the green Bachmann locos have the earlier silencer fitted arrangement

  • Like 1
  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Phil Bullock said:

 

See @Porcy Mane's post back up the page....

 

Exhaust arrangement dependant on your time frame - good luck in identifying whats right. the roof shot of D5153 is the best I have seen, early arrangement with silencer unlike the blue model - both the green Bachmann locos have the earlier silencer fitted arrangement

Phil , from the few pics i can find of 007 it appears to have the same style as being modelled here for my time frame , i may be wrong as i know little about 24s and early 25s as most were gone by the time i was taking an interest in railways

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Was 25003 the only one to keep it's gangway doors along with original headcode boxes, they're noted as still present in 1974?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 minutes ago, sulzer71 said:

Nice , is that's all that's needed to convert it? i was contemplating 003 myself but also 007

 

Shaken but not stirred then? Have you seen this page?

 

https://www.derbysulzers.com/5157.html

 

Not clear from there but probably later arrangement by TOPs era....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, giz said:

Was 25003 the only one to keep it's gangway doors along with original headcode boxes, they're noted as still present in 1974?

Picture on flickr shows it with doors sealed in 75 shortly after overhaul but also shortly before withdrawal 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Colourail and Rail Photoprints may also be worth exploring....

 

Its always fun trying to find a loco that matches the model in the period you want!

  • Like 2

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Phil Bullock said:

Colourail and Rail Photoprints may also be worth exploring....

 

Its always fun trying to find a loco that matches the model in the period you want!

Thanks Phil , i still have some research to do , from what i can see with the few modifications it's good for 007 for my modelling period just need to decide whether to get one to convert into a West Highland 24/1 or wait fair the Suttons one , decisions decisions 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, sulzer71 said:

Thanks Phil , i still have some research to do , from what i can see with the few modifications it's good for 007 for my modelling period just need to decide whether to get one to convert into a West Highland 24/1 or wait fair the Suttons one , decisions decisions 

 

Slightly OT but I thought you might like this picture of 25007 as you mentioned it in your post.

 

Weekend rest

 

 

Douglas

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, drjcontroller said:

 

Slightly OT but I thought you might like this picture of 25007 as you mentioned it in your post.

 

Weekend rest

 

 

Douglas

That is the picture iv'e been checking

  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, sulzer71 said:

Thanks Phil , i still have some research to do , from what i can see with the few modifications it's good for 007 for my modelling period just need to decide whether to get one to convert into a West Highland 24/1 or wait fair the Suttons one , decisions decisions 

 

No such thing as a West Highland 24/1, in fairness.  The Inverness fleet migrated to the Far North by '71(from the Highland Main Line etc) and didn't feature on Eastfield diagrams.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
7 minutes ago, 'CHARD said:

 

No such thing as a West Highland 24/1, in fairness.  The Inverness fleet migrated to the Far North by '71(from the Highland Main Line etc) and didn't feature on Eastfield diagrams.

That's what i meant , head up the rear currently lol

  • Funny 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, sulzer71 said:

That's what i meant , head up the rear currently lol

 

A side-effect of the times we are living through, I'm fairly sure!

 

Stay well, stay free!

  • Friendly/supportive 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, Phil Bullock said:

 

Shaken but not stirred then? Have you seen this page?

 

https://www.derbysulzers.com/5157.html

 

Not clear from there but probably later arrangement by TOPs era....

 

From the above site;

 

Derby received 5157 during June for repair. Possibly during this visit the locomotive received a cab roof at the 'A' end with the sloped 'wings'.

 

Pedantically it received not just a roof but a replacement cab which happened to have that style of box.

Derby did component overhaul exchanges on cabs, amongst other things.

 

Mike.

 

  • Agree 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.