Mel_H Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Wow! Including the H&M DC app control and Steampunk range it's a very exciting programme. I do hope that it does well for Hornby. Those who snipe at the 91 might care to observe there is a price (and possibly level of detail difference) between the two. Also, we don't know how long it's been in development for. For those wanting a Manor, perhaps Bachmann will produce this out of their February announcement? Finally, many thanks to Andy for the time taken to present the range in a clear and easy-to-use way. 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) On the APT front - which is really great news as I'm interested in this - they are doing extra coaches for 2 different sets. Now, I can't figure out which set of coaches is for which APT. A full set was 14 cars. The 7 set becomes 15 so something is duplicated here (or we might be missing a power car!), the 5 set becomes 13 (missing a power car). If both were 6 car sets, then at least we could guess which coaches go with which. Before ordering, I'll wait for extra details as I'm not sure how it fits (as well as wishing to know the window surrounds for each set too). Edited January 6, 2020 by JSpencer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackB95 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Very big announcements from Hornby, some that I'm genuinely pleased to see, and some that I'm like "why bother" such as the 91. I was rather hoping for some TPE 802s, as well as some trailer carriages to allow people to make 9 car rakes. Lots of brilliant stuff on the way. Bring it on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 16 minutes ago, Synch said: What I'm most intrigued by are the Stanier carriages, I'm not knowledgeable on the Coronation Scot rakes but how many of these diagrams can be done up as regular coaches? I'd be very pleased to more evenly round out a set of LMS stock. All of them. 10 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Most of them are already in the Hornby range as ordinary coaches. I think it's probably only 2 at the moment. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: Yea! P Morden Sarf, innit? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Quite a few things jump out for me here, a new full-length APT-P ... wow!!! I had hoped, but I didn't really expect them to go for it. Seems a good way to do with with the basic set plus add on coach packs. I wonder how they're going to quantify how many they'll produce - thats going to be a really difficult one to predict interest on. buffer-fitted HST Power cars in Intercity Swallow! Intercity Swallow Mk3 DVT! RTC liveried Mk1s and a coupl eof things I'm less keen on.... a Retooled Class 91 - if you do nothing to improve your own tooling for 30 years and charge pretty much full-spec prices for railroad spec models, then it can hardly be a surprise for buyers to be wanting something better and for someone else to have a go at tooling their own. To bring out competing models once or twice might be a co-incidence, to repeatedly trample smaller manufacturers is monopolistic. What might be considered good business practice elsewhere I'd say is quite different in the relatively small market of British Model Railways. I'll be sticking with my Cavalex order. Dutch Class 31 is good, that could replace quite a lot of Mazak affected early releases. I'm still a little surprised we're waiting so long for obvious liveries on the Superdetailed Class 31 tooling - 1980s Railfreight (pre-red stripe), BR Blue 31/4, 31413, Intercity Mainline 31/4. Their lack of interest in providing releases almost seems like fishing for a competitor to take the bait to have a go at a Class 31 themselves only to cry 'foul' and claim its theirs!!! If they make the most of their tooling and provide basic liveries then it wouldn't seem such an appealing loco for others to pick, but we're still waiting for obvious liveries to appear on 18 year old tooling! There does seem to be something for everyone, but a surprising lack of BR Blue and Sectorisation models 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter123 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 If Cavalex are in position to continue the Class 91 project they hopefully wouldn't be too badly impacted IF they can get theirs to market first. Due to the impatience of some to deliver quicker after announcement. Only had a quick look but most of the Hornby running numbers are different and they don't appear to be offering the complementing DVT or Mk 4s, which isn't great joined up thinking if that is the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Mallard60022 said: Yea! P Agreed, but why announce the ex-Lima tanker in St Ivel livery when they could have done it to match the Ruston? John 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, mdvle said: I'm guessing that the sounds are in the app on the phone/tablet (much like the original Bluerail was) as there is no way to communicate with the engine beyond the simple voltage amount, so no way to add sound to a loco that isn't already sound equipped. Now if you DC loco runs with sound on DC, you will still have sound. Any other way and you would need to be putting a bluetooth board into anything you want to add sound to, which as you said regarding Bluerail (or DCC) just gets too expensive if you already have a lot of existing stock. I disagree.. heres mine, it cost me £6 On Amazon... i use it on anything I like,. Its not a chip its a Bluetooth speaker and it plays what i tell it too, unlike a DCC chip which can only play what its loaded with..... I only own 2 speakers and have used it for hundreds of locos/sounds... this video is all DC.. and 1 speaker on the train. i am interested to see if I can link both together.. it would be nice if Hornby built it in at somepoint. Edited January 6, 2020 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post BMacdermott Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Hello everyone Many congratulations to Hornby on the 2020 announcements today! Excellent news for many! This is how the new tooling items fared in The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019 Results... Top 50 374 votes - BR Std Class 2 2-6-0 (78xxx). Overall position 3rd. 287 votes - LNER Hush Hush. Overall position 10th. High Polling 186 votes - BR Diag.24 Restaurant Buffet (RB) 182 votes - APT-P 182 votes - W1 60700 149 votes - A2/3 Middle Polling 116 votes - A2/2. (This score places it nicely above the overall halfway mark.) Low Polling 86 votes - Coronation Scot Coaches. (These were only just in Low Polling. We believe they have much potential for the BR modeller in the future if Hornby has made sensible provisions.) As something of a notable aside, we recently ran The Quirky Poll. Rocket was overall top-voted item there. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) Edited January 6, 2020 by BMacdermott Additional text 12 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 The Floyd 56 is an unusual one...………. 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Popular Post Phil Parker Posted January 6, 2020 Administrators Popular Post Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, BMacdermott said: As something of a notable aside, we recently ran The Quirky Poll. Rocket was overall top-voted item there. Surely this must be the shortest gap between a Poll and product announcement ever? When Mr Macdermott speaks, the manufacturers listen. Or else. 1 27 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) I note the new sub-brand Railroad Plus such as the 47 diesel with etched nameplates Edited January 6, 2020 by Pandora Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 Well it’s a first ever ! Just ordered The Centenary edition of Rocket from Rails (sorry hattons , couldn’t find it on your website) . Never ever ordered a product on announcement before from Hornby . 2 things occur . 1 . It’s a damned reasonable price for a limited edition and 2 . I think it says expected February 2020! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, Pandora said: I note the new sub-brand Railroad Plus such as the class 47 diesel with etched nameplates Has Railroad (Standard? Minus? Vanilla?) gone then? A number of items appear to be in the main range that I'd've thought would have appeared as Railroad. I'm guessing there might be a Pt.2 with continuing items? I really like the Steampunk figures, but a pity there's nothing similar for "normality". Sadly I find the rest of that range half-hearted and ghastly. (This would be where any new generic stuff might have gone, too.) Still, Std 2MT... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 I was excited to see another LNER 800 produced but it hit the proverbial buffers when I realised it’s four cars short........b****r 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 I wonder if anything much is happening on the Hornby forum this morning... In the 'I wasn't expecting that' category, which is a healthy size, I am most interested in the App based analogue controller, the first development of any sort for many years in this field and potentially very useful, and priced reasonably as well. My poor old phone battery's gonna be taking a bit of a pounding! There's not much for me apart from that, but given that they announced a lot last year that is, I can forgive them; I'm sure all the new liveries will go down well. Not sure about the steampunk stuff, but then, I wouldn't be, would I, it's not aimed at a market I know anything about and I assume (perhaps more in hope than common sense) that the marketeers know what they're doing and H will make money out of it. It's sort of off the back of the TV show a bit, isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, adb968008 said: I disagree.. heres mine, it cost me £6 On Amazon... i use it on anything I like,. Its not a chip its a Bluetooth speaker and it plays what i tell it too, unlike a DCC chip which can only play what its loaded with... So, you originally said: Quote I looked at Bluerail..shrugged my shoulders.. Ive 000’s of locos and such a solution wouldn't fly at that price. So, thousands of locos, even at £6, your talking over £6000 - so yes, still too expensive I assume even though the bluetooth board comes with a speaker. Of course if you aren't upgrading the entire fleet then your cost equation changes regardless of which Bluetooth solution you opt for, though yours is still cheaper. But the other aspect is whether Hornby want to get involved in the tech support of trying to get their system working with random Bluetooth items off of Amazon, eBay, or other Chinese sellers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestRail642fan Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 just noticed that APT listing doesn't list a single NDM, so i guess that ruins any chances of trying to run 14 coach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, JSpencer said: On the APT front - which is really great news as I'm interested in this - they are doing extra coaches for 2 different sets. Now, I can't figure out which set of coaches is for which APT. A full set was 14 cars. The 7 set becomes 15 so something is duplicated here (or we might be missing a power car!), the 5 set becomes 13 (missing a power car). If both were 6 car sets, then at least we could guess which coaches go with which. Before ordering, I'll wait for extra details as I'm not sure how it fits (as well as wishing to know the window surrounds for each set too). We probably need more details to know the difference between the 5-car and 7-car packs. I note the price difference is more than just a £70 pair of coaches, so I'd wonder if the 7 car one has 2 power cars but like you say, in doing that it means that an odd number of coaches is left. It might make more sense to do a 5 car pack with a single power car and a 6 car pack with 2. The coach numbers all end with the same digits so 370 001 would have had 48501 (TF), 48301 (TU), 48401 (TRSB), 48201 (TS). Of the models listed there, the ones with the catalogue numbers ending A would go with the 7 car pack and the others with the 5 car. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Francis deWeck Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 Pleased to see the 78xxx, the A2/2 would join the layout - if it didn't have the one design fits all cartazzi (or whatever folks might wish to refer to it as?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floreat Industria Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) I can't wait for the original Hush Hush. It was a legend in Darlington when I was a boy and I used to gaze at the large scale model of it in Darlington museum. Something clicked when I glanced at the Beatles Eurostar. It was the first to be scrapped at Kingsbury and here are a couple of photos I took on 27 October 2016. 3006/5 snaked very slowly into the sidings while a southbound express waited at the signal. The M42 was at a standstill. Edited January 6, 2020 by Floreat Industria letter missing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The Gardner of Norwich PO Wagon is a blatant copy of the limited edition wagon produced by Bachmann last year for the Bure Valley Railway - right down to the running number: http://www.burevalleymodels.com/p/15116/Bachmann---37-076R---7-Plank-Opoen-Wagon-Gardner-of-Norwich 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Mel_H said: For those wanting a Manor, perhaps Bachmann will produce this out of their February announcement? Unlikely, the Manor has (sadly) really become more of a running joke at these announcements - consistently high polling year after year yet every manufacturer seems to be avoiding it, perhaps fearing duplication. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 That is a huge amount of new stuff from Hornby, the retro models look great (and that's just the packaging !). However......I wish Hornby every success, but the 1970s (again/still) seem to be the decade time forgot, other than an 08, one coach, and the odd wagon. And an APT, a prototype limited in both quantity and range, but still no modernisation plan DMU ? 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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