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A few things I'm really happy about

One the inclusion of Tinplate (3 RAIL for crying out loud!) Locomotives (Win for the collectors! prices need to be dropped a LOT to sell more!)

Rovex Themed Train Set (Something I hope they continue to produce! especially if they sell 6" coaches more! the amount of projects that could be used for them are massive!)

and the Stephenson's Rocket train set! (Something I HOPE they continue to produce for a LONG time, its a much needed model in the range!)

Why Hornby! why only 1000 units? surely you could produce much more! think of the Massive demographic you guys have and the amount of people who want these beautiful reproductions! 

Good Luck! best wishes for your centenary! 

 

Edit: where is the TT gauge? TT was a massive (but small) part of Tri-angs History

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33 minutes ago, newbryford said:

 

Is that a euphemism...….?

 

 

 

No, but a "weathered banana" is.

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1 hour ago, Oldddudders said:

I’ve never heard of ballast cleaning – replacement yes, but not cleaning.

 

There you go;

 

 

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45 minutes ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said:

HST coaches in Swallow livery- I can see I'm a lone voice here but Hornby's researchers are absolutely rubbish in this department and have scored another own goal. Again.

 

Before the time that set received Central Door Locking it had been cascaded down to Cross-Country, 41086 knocked out, and 40436 inserted in place of 40703 (which had found its way into LA35). They **could** have used their four window buffet car moulding to correctly represent XC69 as a seven car rake to go with 43065+43123. We still have not had a 4-window HST buffet which anyone modelling Cross-Country in ANY era needs- if only that poxy 40703 model had been 40436 with the correct moulding that would have been a really good train...

 

The nameplate on 43065 dates the pairing after February 1996, much as last years nameplate on 43078 dated that pairing into a very narrow timeframe right at the end before Virgin took over- my second pet hate on HST models is insistence on modelling a "namer"-  it means trying to colour match to conceal a nameplate on a brand new model if your era is pre 1996 in this case.

 

Fear not, you are not alone. It's the first thing I noticed when I saw this pack no 4 windowed buffet -_-

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Meh, nothing in it for me. There again I model in N Gauge.

 

Submitted the shop order and tried to get everything on there that we wanted and had to go back and check again. There was a WOW from me. Good to see that there no "spoilers" released early on the Hornby range. Sadly someone decided to publish all the Airfix new releases over the weekend.

 

Rocket celebrated it's 190th Anniversary and the local model railway clubs based in and around Rainhill put on a great weekend of entertainment. When I asked why 190 and not wait until the 200th? Easy answer, "a lot of us may not still be around". A truly local to our area loco. On a clear day I can see Rainhill lol.

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Geez the rate Hornby are churning out those basic 66's in every livery imaginable I wouldn't be surprised to find them on the shelves at Asda from tomorrow :jester:

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1 hour ago, Legend said:

 

I don't think so . Only 100 of each version . Specially commissioned, obviously a niche product for collectors . I don't want one , but I doubt these will hang around.

 

I wouldn't be so sure, speaking as a tinplate collector ;) . 100 each of four versions makes for 400 total, which is a pretty typical production run by ETS for ACE or WJ Vintage, runs are rarely larger, quite often smaller, and they cover the current three rail market nicely without causing serious rarity or exclusivity. 

 

The modern collector of tinplate wants either original, or a decent 'semi-scale' (think Dublo writ large) model, as evidenced by the products of ACE, WJ Vintage, Darstaed (previously) etc. These are neither and so are unlikely to cut it at this price, which is more than ACE were asking for their range of semi-scale 0-4-4Ts, and about the same as they wanted for a Large Prairie.

 

Of course, I may be underestimating those outside of the tinplate three-rail world who want one simply because of its special edition status, but thinking back to previous 'out-of-gauge' specials - remember Bachmann's pewter Puffing Billy? - I don't think these will have much appeal outside of those already in this area of modelling/collecting.

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2 hours ago, centraltrains said:

Don't understand why 395 coaches are being made but not a 395 loco pack.

 

 

 

Presume this is the extra two coaches to go with the loco pack announced last year commemorating the naming of one of the units at the Ramsgate depot open day.

 

Keith

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9 minutes ago, guard_jamie said:

 

I wouldn't be so sure, speaking as a tinplate collector ;) . 100 each of four versions makes for 400 total, which is a pretty typical production run by ETS for ACE or WJ Vintage, runs are rarely larger, quite often smaller, and they cover the current three rail market nicely without causing serious rarity or exclusivity. 

 

The modern collector of tinplate wants either original, or a decent 'semi-scale' (think Dublo writ large) model, as evidenced by the products of ACE, WJ Vintage, Darstaed (previously) etc. These are neither and so are unlikely to cut it at this price, which is more than ACE were asking for their range of semi-scale 0-4-4Ts, and about the same as they wanted for a Large Prairie.

 

Of course, I may be underestimating those outside of the tinplate three-rail world who want one simply because of its special edition status, but thinking back to previous 'out-of-gauge' specials - remember Bachmann's pewter Puffing Billy? - I don't think these will have much appeal outside of those already in this area of modelling/collecting.

 

That's collectors of those things. Most of us wouldn't know an ACE or Darstaed if we fell over one.

 

These are Hornby and a totally different kettle of fish. These will sell to those with a bit of money to put on a shelf or in a cabinet.

 

 

 

Jason

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4 hours ago, Garethp8873 said:

Hooray to Hush-Hush! No longer need to get the kit built that I have!! Fantastic to see proper LMS Coronation Scot Coaches too now as well!!

 

Am I right in thinking that the 50' kitchen car is the same diagram as for ordinary trains? If so, I hope we don't have to wait too long for LMS/BR versions in maroon. Would be very useful.

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Seems to be a lot of Oxford Diecast Structures items appearing in Hornby, is this a transition of items from Oxford to Hornby ?

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Hornby have managed to get the right numbering for a full set of the 1937 Coronation Scot stock. These only lasted in service in the original livery until 1939 when they were put into store. They returned to service on ordinary trains as the LMS saw no prospect of re-introducing a high speed service at the end of the war given the state of the infrastructure.

The Ill-fated 1939 stock as used for the USA train was stored part-built during the war then was completed for use on ordinary services c1946/7

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2 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

 

Am I right in thinking that the 50' kitchen car is the same diagram as for ordinary trains? If so, I hope we don't have to wait too long for LMS/BR versions in maroon. Would be very useful.

 

I think the roofs are a bit different.

 

But I would guess they have taken that into account and will eventually release them in ordinary liveries.

 

 

 

Jason

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43 minutes ago, Edwardian said:

 

I agree. It's all in the timing, and the intent behind it and the effect it has.

 

To be quite frank, I don't know what a "91" is, so I don't know whether it's one of those models that's "always been in the Hornby range", and, if so, whether genuinely so, or "always been a Hornby model" in the sense of the 1989 Dapol-designed Terrier!

 

And, yes, where you have a model in your range already I'm sure re-tooling is often under-consideration at various times, and that in theory there would be a re-tool at some point, so claims can always be made that "we were going to do it anyway". 

 

Yet, it seems to me that on three recent occasions Hornby has been content not to re-tool until it has seen a competitor about to do so and then it's rushed to market it to spoil their sales. I hesitated before striking a negative note where there is much in this milestone anniversary and in this 2020 range to celebrate, but then, this petulant and damaging reaction of senior management to competition is now, alas, part of the Hornby story - as seen on TV - and no one is making Hornby executives behave in this way. It's as if being in charge of a household name has rather gone to their heads.  Hopefully, now that 2019, that most febrile of years is over, Hornby will re-think a potentially self-destructive strategy that leaves them looking to all but the most diehard fanboy like some over-grown playground bully.  We all want Hornby to survive, but they don't have to behave like this. 

 

So maybe we can expect Hornby to follow up a Terrier that could have been better if they hadn't rushed it out to beat the competition with a Class 91 that might well suffer the same way.

 

Mind you, given that my personal interests all lie West of a line drawn between Bristol and Bournemouth in the 1950s/60s, nothing off the ECML (apart from Kingfisher) will ever figure on my shopping list, whoever makes it or however good/bad it might be.

 

This morning's announcements represent very thin pickings for me, so I've diverted a chunk of my modelling budget to a new amp for the hi-fi. :jester:

 

John

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The replica No1 Tender Engine in 0 is an inspired idea, and I’d bet that the 100 of each livery that they seem to intend will fly off the shelves.

 

Looking at the picture, I think it is on an ETS electric mechanism, which means that it will run beautifully, and it’s what HRCA members have been doing with tatty old genuine ones for years.

 

The price is interesting: it’s on the high side For a small loco when compared with other all-metal modern coarse-scale models of actual prototypes, but it’s for a “grey pound” market that seems prepared to spend on good quality toys.

 

Interesting that Jamie and I, both of whom know the ‘tinplate and coarse 0’ world a bit reach different conclusions as to its sales appeal ...... shall we run a sweepstake, the winner to get one (colour of their choice)?

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19 minutes ago, CUCKOO LINE said:

Seems to be a lot of Oxford Diecast Structures items appearing in Hornby, is this a transition of items from Oxford to Hornby ?

 

That certainly seems to be the case. I wonder if Oxford Rail will still continue to operate, or we will see the Oxford Rail range merged into the main Hornby range? 

 

Fro example, the Oxford Rail GWR Engine:  

https://www.hattons.co.uk/286651/oxford_rail_os76r004_gwr_brick_built_single_track_engine_shed/stockdetail.aspx?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4q3eqZPv5gIVTLDtCh2o3QlHEAQYAiABEgLhL_D_BwE&fbclid=IwAR3GcjMsRxnwhbUDcDFpcC9fkDYZQ-s84uykEL6QPMnzoANQKU69IQ-DSyQ

 

Has now become: 

 

http://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/67109/R7283-Hornby-Skaledale-GWR-Engine-Shed?fbclid=IwAR1V7yuhilbSNaCPbz1lb8fdGmx1qoxgQ-bsEiGDqDty-kUhj146v4K9UIQ

 

Ps Hornby, if you are merging the Oxford structures range into Skaledale, now would be a good time to modify and correct the GWR Station Building with a slate roof / chimney! 

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Some of you may have missed the SkaleRoc - very easy to do:

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1 hour ago, Edwardian said:

To be quite frank, I don't know what a "91" is, so I don't know whether it's one of those models that's "always been in the Hornby range", and, if so, whether genuinely so, or "always been a Hornby model" in the sense of the 1989 Dapol-designed Terrier!

The class 91 was introduced in the late 1980s as a part of the East Coast Main Line electrification scheme & has been running 125mph InterCity services ever since. They are now being replaced.

Hornby's model was released shortly after the real thing & has been in their range for most of this time. It was a good model in its time with the basic shape correct, but things have moved on.

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1 minute ago, Pete the Elaner said:

The class 91 was introduced in the late 1980s as a part of the East Coast Main Line electrification scheme & has been running 125mph InterCity services ever since. They are now being replaced.

Hornby's model was released shortly after the real thing & has been in their range for most of this time. It was a good model in its time with the basic shape correct, but things have moved on.

 

Thanks, though, as I've said before to others who have educated me concerning matters post 1914, ignorance is a delicate bloom, touch it and it withers! 

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6 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said:

The class 91 was introduced in the late 1980s as a part of the East Coast Main Line electrification scheme & has been running 125mph InterCity services ever since. They are now being replaced.

Hornby's model was released shortly after the real thing & has been in their range for most of this time. It was a good model in its time with the basic shape correct, but things have moved on.

 

What gets me is the idea that they've had "30 years" to retool it seeing as it's only 30 years old....

 

Seems some just can't help knocking Hornby for some strange reason.

 

 

 

Jason

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47 minutes ago, Benjamin Brady said:

Fear not, you are not alone. It's the first thing I noticed when I saw this pack no 4 windowed buffet -_-

They did one 2-3 years ago, but it was an unusual one which I believe was in a WR set & had the 1st class stripe along the entire length of the coach.

One day I'll get around to paining half the stripe red, then I can get away with it in my HST.

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2 hours ago, Hilux5972 said:

I’m quite surprised they did Class 43 Sir Kenneth Grange with a GWR Class 43 instead of the Intercity Class 43 it ran with for a while. 

That train (43002+LA72 set+43198) is the exact set which ran the last ever down passenger service HST from Paddington- put the 43198 on the standard class TGS end and the 43002 on the first class end and you've got exactly the right formation assuming you buy all 8 new release GWR livery coaches and marshal them in numerical order!

 

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