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6 hours ago, DRS Crewe On A Mission said:

 

 

Some more positives is their are two DB branded 60s in the latest guise. After many years of the DB Red 60s missing from the range we had 60044 announced last year with DB Schenker branding and now two with the newer DB branding. I would say that this is a really good move, both named and with different running numbers which will save those who maybe don't want to renumber or those who can't from having to attempt to do it on a £160 model.

 

 

 

But still no un-named DB red 60 to make it even easier to renumber..............

 

And would it be that difficult to tweak the tooling to remove the NRN radio pod from the cab roof?

 

Which would then lend itself to DCR/GBRf/Beacon/Cappagh/other livery 60s.............................

 

 

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4 hours ago, caradoc said:

 

WH Smiths in Argyle St Glasgow had both the catalogue and the latest Hornby mag, adjacent but separate and with no mention (as far as I could see) of the combined offer. So I bought neither; Maybe the offer will only apply from tomorrow as mentioned previously, with some form of wrapper around the two ?

 

BTW I take it the Horny Mag was on the top shelf ?!!!!!!

 

 

In tesco there was no mention of offer and they were not banded together. The discount was given at the checkout though

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On 08/01/2020 at 07:22, GBRf66701 said:

Also in the signalbox youtube video at 11.56 is an LMS wartime black Coronation 6223 'Princess Alice' is this missing from the catalogue too?

 

It is, which is a shame too. I wish though that Hornby, when they do make a black streamliner, make it with the tender sides cut down as they ran like that for longer in wartime black.

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2 minutes ago, Brocp said:

 

It is, which is a shame too. I wish though that Hornby, when they do make a black streamliner, make it with the tender sides cut down as they ran like that for longer in wartime black.

Im sure I had one years ago that came in a train set.

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4 hours ago, scottrains29 said:

I guess that means the Intercity pair as portrayed in the 2020 catalogue would actually have operated for longer under Virgin trains ownership than BR!

I would be quite interested to get either of these buffered power cars to produce an early Virgin set, but probably wouldn't want both. I wonder if others think the same. Perhaps we'll see people splitting the set.

 

Yes, Feb '96 until Jan '97 under Cross Country TOU and Jan '97 until Nov '98 under Virgin Trains.

 

A better "solution" would be 1x buffer, 1x standard front in Virgin Trains livery, and then 1x buffer, 1x standard front in GNER. People would want the coaches to go between them and I don't know if the market would bear another release, especially as some HST power car liveries have yet to be released (eg all the privatised GWT/FGW styles until Dynamic Lines, of which there were four main ones for the power cars and three main ones for the coaches)...

 

I can see some people splitting the set for the purposes of running 1x Class 91, 8x HST Swallow livery trailer and 1x buffer fitted power car to replicate the "super power" 8,730hp combo on the ECML in 1989- more power to weight than your APT's or 800's!!

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Nothing for me personally at the moment as the next project is N-gauge and European outline (those advert liveried Vectrons and Tauruses {Tauri?} are just too much to resist).

 

I've got to hand it to Hornby for tackling the Thompson A2/3 and the W1, and particularly a class regarded by many as a lemon among LNER Pacifics, the A2/2.

 

However those lemons were only so by the standard of the LNER, and still managed annual mileages comparable with Kings and Castles.  The A2/3s also occasionally found themselves on fast heavy freight that had defeated 9Fs, so maybe Thompson's biggest engines weren't quite as bad as their reputation.  

 

I hope they sell well.

 

Les

 

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7 hours ago, DRS Crewe On A Mission said:

Another nice set is 002 & 198 with 002 as a special in the pack with the standard GWR livery on 198. If I remember rightly wasn't this pair the same pair that worked the last ever HST full length train into Paddington last year?

Already answered (amid 31 pages!!)- 43002+LA72+43198 are the train which worked the last passenger service from Paddington and the specials a fortnight later, the latest GWR carriage numbers announced make it possible to form up the exact 10 vehicle train as worked on those days. I shall take marks off for anyone not forming them the right way 'round with 43198 on the standard class end...

 

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7 minutes ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said:

I can see some people splitting the set for the purposes of running 1x Class 91, 8x HST Swallow livery trailer and 1x buffer fitted power car to replicate the "super power" 8,730hp combo on the ECML in 1989- more power to weight than your APT's or 800's!!

 

Yes they were quite an experience. 

 

And it's not often you get a chance to have diesel and electric haulage at the same time.

 

And you can stick a 47 on the 91 to replicate the Bradford to Leeds section.

 

If I recall correctly, the HST power car hauled the train to Bradford, but couldn't provide power for the class 91 to act as a DVT so a 47 hauled it back to Leeds. I do have a memory of the 47 failing to turn up once and they chanced it on the 91's batteries and got away with it.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said:

Yes, Feb '96 until Jan '97 under Cross Country TOU and Jan '97 until Nov '98 under Virgin Trains.

 

A better "solution" would be 1x buffer, 1x standard front in Virgin Trains livery, and then 1x buffer, 1x standard front in GNER. People would want the coaches to go between them and I don't know if the market would bear another release, especially as some HST power car liveries have yet to be released (eg all the privatised GWT/FGW styles until Dynamic Lines, of which there were four main ones for the power cars and three main ones for the coaches)...

 

I can see some people splitting the set for the purposes of running 1x Class 91, 8x HST Swallow livery trailer and 1x buffer fitted power car to replicate the "super power" 8,730hp combo on the ECML in 1989- more power to weight than your APT's or 800's!!

 

Yes I thought running a 91 with Mk3s and a buffered HST would be cool especially given Hornby haven't announced Mk4s it's like they are encouraging it!

 

Regarding the FGW liveries, am I right in thinking I heard somewhere that First are a bit weird about licencing old liveries?

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17 minutes ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said:

A better "solution" would be 1x buffer, 1x standard front in Virgin Trains livery, and then 1x buffer, 1x standard front in GNER.

I had thought about that. I think it would be fine for the Virgin livery as they always had a few buffered examples in the fleet, but I think most would prefer the standard version twin pack for GNER as they only had two buffered examples that only operated during a very short period of the 11+ years GNER existed.

 

I hope Hornby produce another GNER set, but this time with Valenta power cars and original light lenses. The new 91 may spark (excuse the pun) more interest modelling the ECML. With the recent Hornby Intercity, VTEC and LNER HST sets I think we must be due a GNER set next.

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2 hours ago, Coryton said:

 

Yes - the range looks somewhat more balanced when you see everything currently on offer, rather than just what is new this year.


Hornby is still reliant on pre-1994 built prototypes.

 

In the last 20 years,  I can see 4 privatisation toolings...  the Pendolino, Javelin, Azuma, Sliding Door mk3’s.., from all privatisation era prototypes.

 

Even in the dark years of 1970-90 Hornby managed a 25,(35,37 retool),47,52,58,86,90,91,HST,APT,110,142, plus mk3, mk4’s.

 

Between 1990-2000 they picked up Lima “current modern image” range of 09/20/31/37/47/60/66/67/73/87/101/156, and added 08/31/50/56/60/466/VEP all BR era toolings to it post 2000-2010..

 

imagine being an enthusiast in 1960 and the only “current modern image” 4 toolings offered from 1960-1980 was a Deltic, a Britannia, 9f and a mk1.

 

But the lack of interest in “the current scene” railways from 2010-2040 concerns me, especially considering all the fresh ripe prototypes that have joined the network since 2000..once BR era classes die out from the network is there no future for the hobby ?

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53 minutes ago, adb968008 said:


Hornby is still reliant on pre-1994 built prototypes.

 

In the last 20 years,  I can see 4 privatisation toolings...  the Pendolino, Javelin, Azuma, Sliding Door mk3’s.., from all privatisation era prototypes.

 

Even in the dark years of 1970-90 Hornby managed a 25,(35,37 retool),47,52,58,86,90,91,HST,APT,110,142, plus mk3, mk4’s.

 

Between 1990-2000 they picked up Lima “current modern image” range of 09/20/31/37/47/60/66/67/73/87/101/156, and added 08/31/50/56/60/466/VEP all BR era toolings to it post 2000-2010..

 

imagine being an enthusiast in 1960 and the only “current modern image” 4 toolings offered from 1960-1980 was a Deltic, a Britannia, 9f and a mk1.

 

But the lack of interest in “the current scene” railways from 2010-2040 concerns me, especially considering all the fresh ripe prototypes that have joined the network since 2000..once BR era classes die out from the network is there no future for the hobby ?

 

Completely agree. Despite some nice reliveries of existing tooling such as the Scotrail HSTs and Network Rail mk2fs, I am rather disappointed by this years offering as Hornby once again entrenches the view that they are not interested in the current era modeller particularly when it comes to new tooling.

 

As you say, there are so many current scene prototypes that have never made it to model form and yet most people are screaming that their favourite loco hasn’t been retooled in the last ten years. The hobby’s future is bleak as by the time the manufacturers come round to manufacturing up to date stock (if ever) a lot of potential current scene modellers will be put off as there will be such a backlog.

 

Nonetheless I acknowledge that this is not a popular view on this forum.

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1 hour ago, scottrains29 said:

I had thought about that. I think it would be fine for the Virgin livery as they always had a few buffered examples in the fleet, but I think most would prefer the standard version twin pack for GNER as they only had two buffered examples that only operated during a very short period of the 11+ years GNER existed.

 

I hope Hornby produce another GNER set, but this time with Valenta power cars and original light lenses. The new 91 may spark (excuse the pun) more interest modelling the ECML. With the recent Hornby Intercity, VTEC and LNER HST sets I think we must be due a GNER set next.

Err, West is best, obviously! They did already did a GNER pair, the Virgin ones were more geographically widespread but I'm still cheering on a First pink-swoosh one as per 2001-2006 style, even if First are weird about their heritage.

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2 minutes ago, bart2day said:

 

Completely agree. Despite some nice reliveries of existing tooling such as the Scotrail HSTs and Network Rail mk2fs, I am rather disappointed by this years offering as Hornby once again entrenches the view that they are not interested in the current era modeller particularly when it comes to new tooling.

 

As you say, there are so many current scene prototypes that have never made it to model form and yet most people are screaming that their favourite loco hasn’t been retooled in the last ten years. The hobby’s future is bleak as by the time the manufacturers come round to manufacturing up to date stock (if ever) a lot of potential current scene modellers will be put off as there will be such a backlog.

 

Nonetheless I acknowledge that this is not a popular view on this forum.

Trouble with endlessly chasing "current scene" is that we now have a myriad of units most of which are confined to a relatively small geographic area. I can see more 800 derivatives coming (even if they are shorter than they ought to be) as there are already prototypes on GWR, LNER, Hull Trains and TPE- before long there will be EMR and Avanti variants as well as the one off livery variations already being done now for LNER and probably will get done for GWR. Beyond them what to do- plump for a CAF 195/331 and its only got limited regional appeal, same goes for an Aventra which are not widespread either, go for an Electrostar and you get a few more livery variants but still all London centric. 

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TESCO in Prestwich (Manchester) had two catalogues but no Hornby magazines. Local ASDAs in Bury and Bolton had magazines but no catalogue! Will be ordering direct as mentioned earlier and take advantage of the combined price!

 

Personally, not much of interest but hats off to HR for such a raft of products. My biggest disappointment (aka unfulfilled "wish") was for OO/4mm:foot Wagonlits sleeper coaches and a fourgon, so I could model the night sleeper boat train to go behind my SR locos! Yes, I know this is a limited interest consist, but as a "prototypical length" train could be just four coaches and two fourgons, it would be an easy one  to model (as opposed to prototypical length HSTs, Pendolinos, APTs etc etc). Someone suggested I checked Hornby's Electrotren range, but none there (and would be to HO scale and so look positively anaemic against OO locos!)

 

Perhaps I'll demonstrate my ignorance here, but I am quite surprised they don't release the class 71 as a class 74 - wouldn't that simply mean a new roof moulding? TTBOMK, the chassis is the same so a relatively "easy" model to create? (I know there were only ten of them, but there was only one "Rocket"! :lol: )

 

I do also wish they had gone for completely new designs for the "steampunk" range using their existing chassis, rather than sticking random bits of tubing and gears onto existing models. (If I was going to produce a new steampunk range, I would have got input from established steampunk modellers/designers, even those not directly involved with railways! Of course, I have no idea whether they did, nor about the costing restrictions placed upon the designers!) My cousin's three young boys are definitely the market these are aimed towards - I'll show them the photos and get their reactions!

 

I may yet be tempted by a new Hornby "Terrier" (although not in a newly announced model finish!) but time will tell. At the end of the day, good luck to them.

 

 

 

 

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5 hours ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said:

Trouble with endlessly chasing "current scene" is that we now have a myriad of units most of which are confined to a relatively small geographic area. I can see more 800 derivatives coming (even if they are shorter than they ought to be) as there are already prototypes on GWR, LNER, Hull Trains and TPE- before long there will be EMR and Avanti variants as well as the one off livery variations already being done now for LNER and probably will get done for GWR. Beyond them what to do- plump for a CAF 195/331 and its only got limited regional appeal, same goes for an Aventra which are not widespread either, go for an Electrostar and you get a few more livery variants but still all London centric. 

 

Surely the 331 and 195 will not be "limited" give they'll be all over the north in due course, and TFW and somebody else have close relatives on order. Also the 397 may have commonality?

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5 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said:

Perhaps I'll demonstrate my ignorance here, but I am quite surprised they don't release the class 71 as a class 74 - wouldn't that simply mean a new roof moulding? TTBOMK, the chassis is the same so a relatively "easy" model to create?

Even if the only difference was the roof, it's still an expensive investment to retool the body shell.

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7 hours ago, bart2day said:

 

Completely agree. Despite some nice reliveries of existing tooling such as the Scotrail HSTs and Network Rail mk2fs, I am rather disappointed by this years offering as Hornby once again entrenches the view that they are not interested in the current era modeller particularly when it comes to new tooling.

 

As you say, there are so many current scene prototypes that have never made it to model form and yet most people are screaming that their favourite loco hasn’t been retooled in the last ten years. The hobby’s future is bleak as by the time the manufacturers come round to manufacturing up to date stock (if ever) a lot of potential current scene modellers will be put off as there will be such a backlog.

 

Nonetheless I acknowledge that this is not a popular view on this forum.

 

7 hours ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said:

Trouble with endlessly chasing "current scene" is that we now have a myriad of units most of which are confined to a relatively small geographic area. I can see more 800 derivatives coming (even if they are shorter than they ought to be) as there are already prototypes on GWR, LNER, Hull Trains and TPE- before long there will be EMR and Avanti variants as well as the one off livery variations already being done now for LNER and probably will get done for GWR. Beyond them what to do- plump for a CAF 195/331 and its only got limited regional appeal, same goes for an Aventra which are not widespread either, go for an Electrostar and you get a few more livery variants but still all London centric. 

But, of course, 2020 was inevitably going to be the "Year of the HST", whatever Hornby might have in mind beyond this year.

 

Post-privatisation locos are fairly well represented from other makers but it appears that nobody really wants to get stuck in where units are concerned. There still seems to be a fear (possibly justified) that the sales potential of longer (4-cars and above) units would be hampered by the inevitable per-set cost of selling only  as "Train Packs". The complexity imposed by modern demands for DCC/sound/lighting links throughout preclude selling individual models and the risks of unsellable leftovers if too many purchasers were to buy less-than-a-set for space reasons would be too great anyway.  

 

The "parochial" and "one livery" (so far) nature of most recent units is undoubtedly a problem when it comes to picking what to make. All of those factors combine to ensure that any such models would be made in smaller overall quantities and therefore cost significantly more to buy than most existing models.

 

All that signposts a production scenario, for models of this kind, based on crowd-funding, or at least "threshold selling" with purchasers signing up to buy before the models get developed. Frankly, that's just not Hornby (or Bachmann) territory.

 

IMHO, the "big boys" aren't likely to be tempted-in until a truly widespread prototype emerges or there have been a couple of franchise changes to break the "one version" dilemma that applies to existing classes.

 

John 

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6 hours ago, SteveyDee68 said:

TESCO in Prestwich (Manchester) had two catalogues but no Hornby magazines. Local ASDAs in Bury and Bolton had magazines but no catalogue! Will be ordering direct as mentioned earlier and take advantage of the combined price!

 

Personally, not much of interest but hats off to HR for such a raft of products. My biggest disappointment (aka unfulfilled "wish") was for OO/4mm:foot Wagonlits sleeper coaches and a fourgon, so I could model the night sleeper boat train to go behind my SR locos! Yes, I know this is a limited interest consist, but as a "prototypical length" train could be just four coaches and two fourgons, it would be an easy one  to model (as opposed to prototypical length HSTs, Pendolinos, APTs etc etc). Someone suggested I checked Hornby's Electrotren range, but none there (and would be to HO scale and so look positively anaemic against OO locos!)

 

Perhaps I'll demonstrate my ignorance here, but I am quite surprised they don't release the class 71 as a class 74 - wouldn't that simply mean a new roof moulding? TTBOMK, the chassis is the same so a relatively "easy" model to create? (I know there were only ten of them, but there was only one "Rocket"! :lol: )

 

I do also wish they had gone for completely new designs for the "steampunk" range using their existing chassis, rather than sticking random bits of tubing and gears onto existing models. (If I was going to produce a new steampunk range, I would have got input from established steampunk modellers/designers, even those not directly involved with railways! Of course, I have no idea whether they did, nor about the costing restrictions placed upon the designers!) My cousin's three young boys are definitely the market these are aimed towards - I'll show them the photos and get their reactions!

 

 

 

I saw somewhere in a video they got the help of Lawrie Calvert who is heavily into steam punk and created Cato Pass. Sounds like he pretty much designed the range from what I saw. 

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6 hours ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said:

Trouble with endlessly chasing "current scene" is that we now have a myriad of units most of which are confined to a relatively small geographic area.

While they are London-centered, the Electrostar family is still a good bet as the changes between each class wouldn't be huge.  But then I don't see much of the Desiro family (come on, the 185 would be easy, surely?) being made, despite having a lot of the groundwork already in place.

 

You're right, but then how many people purchase a model with no real intention to run it regularly?

Most, if not all of my models aren't concerned with an era or theme - just what locos I like the look of.

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Picked up my catalogue and copy of Hornby magazine in my local Tesco last night. Strapline on the shelf about the offer - as well as one about the new Airfix catalogue along with Airfix Model World magazine. 

 

Getting the two big brands out there is really good. 

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1 hour ago, Dunsignalling said:

 

But, of course, 2020 was inevitably going to be the "Year of the HST", whatever Hornby might have in mind beyond this year.

 

Post-privatisation locos are fairly well represented from other makers but it appears that nobody really wants to get stuck in where units are concerned. There still seems to be a fear (possibly justified) that the sales potential of longer (4-cars and above) units would be hampered by the inevitable per-set cost of selling only  as "Train Packs". The complexity imposed by modern demands for DCC/sound/lighting links throughout preclude selling individual models and the risks of unsellable leftovers if too many purchasers were to buy less-than-a-set for space reasons would be too great anyway.  

 

And in that light it's interesting that Hornby have gone for providing 'add-on' sets for the APT. rather than an all-or-nothing approach.

 

Working out how much to make of each one can't be fun.

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17 minutes ago, Coryton said:

 

And in that light it's interesting that Hornby have gone for providing 'add-on' sets for the APT. rather than an all-or-nothing approach.

 

Working out how much to make of each one can't be fun.

 

Since release isnt going to be until December 2020 (and possibly not until next year), it wouldnt surprise me if they adjust the runs based on pre-orders between now and say, the summer. 

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I do think it’s a bit weird that I bought a Hornby catalogue at Tesco but was unable to buy any actual products at the same time. Would it be worth trying to get some starter train sets and maybe even a small selection of the Railroad range on the shelves of the toy aisles in supermarkets this year, I wonder? 

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