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Looks like the entire Hornby marketing dept. got acting jobs as well :jester:

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5 minutes ago, 30801 said:

........I don't think you could really sell an APT model and have no ability to tilt at all.

 

Well they do make and sell lots of Steam locomotive models and not a single one of them burns coal or emits smoke and steam.

 

 

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I remember being on a coach tour from South Wales to the Margate factory in 80?81?.  And them demonstrating the APT and being proud of the fact that their APT could reliably tilt inlike the real one.

(Also a lot of mutterings from the tour party that as it was my birthday 'the mean could have given him something')

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5 hours ago, Watto1990 said:

I do think it’s a bit weird that I bought a Hornby catalogue at Tesco but was unable to buy any actual products at the same time. Would it be worth trying to get some starter train sets and maybe even a small selection of the Railroad range on the shelves of the toy aisles in supermarkets this year, I wonder? 

Can’t see either Tesco or Hornby going for this in the wake of W H Smith’s pulling out of a situation they found loss making.  Part of the problem IMHO is that supermarket models are expected to be cheaper than online or ‘proper’ model shop, and prices are already cut to the bone.  The day of the loss leader is over; it only leads to loss!

 

Big store Hornby, as available in Hobbies or Hamley’s, is priced at RRP, and you don’t get the feeling that turnover is rapid...

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1 hour ago, Ron Ron Ron said:

If anyone wanted to recreate the tilt with even a modicum of realism, it would need a big layout with suitable long runs and appropriate curves.

Wizzing it around an 8x4 roundy round just to see the tilt working is just a bit of fun, some may disagree and call it child like. Either way it's not very prototypical and rather questions why a proper scale model attempt, with a price tag to match, is being used.

I question why this novelty feature needs to be employed at all?

I assumed this new model was rather a different item to the toy train-set market Pendolino

 

I doubt the RMweb server could cope with the moans if Hornby produced an APT that didn't tilt, yet you are seriously suggesting that's what they do!

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6 hours ago, Watto1990 said:

I do think it’s a bit weird that I bought a Hornby catalogue at Tesco but was unable to buy any actual products at the same time. Would it be worth trying to get some starter train sets and maybe even a small selection of the Railroad range on the shelves of the toy aisles in supermarkets this year, I wonder? 

 

They did get some sets into either Lidl or Aldi but deliberately didn't aim for lots. Margins are a lot lower in the supermarket world and they are much harder to deal with. The process also takes at least 18 months, you don't just ring up and say, "Hello Mr Tesco, we have a van full of train sets we'd like you to sell." It might happen one day though.

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1 minute ago, Phil Parker said:

 

I doubt the RMweb server could cope with the moans if Hornby produced an APT that didn't tilt, yet you are seriously suggesting that's what they do!

 

On balance I am Phil.

Otherwise there'll been no escaping the fact that, notwithstanding the fidelity of the model, it will be an expensive joke.

 

I know you will strongly disagree with that, but I have to ask, what are they attempting to produce here, a scale model or a toy?

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7 minutes ago, Phil Parker said:

 

They did get some sets into either Lidl or Aldi but deliberately didn't aim for lots. Margins are a lot lower in the supermarket world and they are much harder to deal with. The process also takes at least 18 months, you don't just ring up and say, "Hello Mr Tesco, we have a van full of train sets we'd like you to sell." It might happen one day though.

 

It also fits more with the "flash sale" sections of Aldi and Lidl, though. They deliberately stock stuff for a short run, because the regularly changing content of "the middle of Lidl" (and whatever Aldi's equivalent phrase is) is one of their selling points. Tesco, on the other hand, prefer to have a more consistent offering in their toys and games.

 

The other problem with train sets, in particular, is that they physically don't fit Tesco's standard shelving in a convenient way. Tesco prefers to sell toys that are smaller and squarer, if you know what I mean.

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10 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said:

 

On balance I am Phil.

Otherwise there'll been no escaping the fact that, notwithstanding the fidelity of the model, it will be an expensive joke.

 

I know you will strongly disagree with that, but I have to ask, what are they attempting to produce here, a scale model or a toy?

 

They are trying to produce a model that will sell. You might buy a non-tilting APT but I doubt overall sales would get into double figures.

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36 minutes ago, The Johnster said:

Big store Hornby, as available in Hobbies or Hamley’s, is priced at RRP, and you don’t get the feeling that turnover is rapid...

 

Hamley's isn't a discounter, though. They market themselves as "The Finest Toy Shop in the World" and focus strongly on the premium aspect of their offering. Hamley's are to toys what Fortum and Mason are to food - you don't go there if you want cheap, you go there if you want quality. But turnover doesn't have to be rapid when you're selling on a big margin.

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6 hours ago, Watto1990 said:

I do think it’s a bit weird that I bought a Hornby catalogue at Tesco but was unable to buy any actual products at the same time. Would it be worth trying to get some starter train sets and maybe even a small selection of the Railroad range on the shelves of the toy aisles in supermarkets this year, I wonder? 

 

The parallel would be a magazine like Classic Cars' where the give-away item is a couple of zip-ties.  I could well imagine a woodworking magazine at Asda, where the checkout would consist of a 12" table saw blade, a kilo of nails  some varnish, and a courgette....

 

Oh, and a tin of diet coke, gotta watch the waistline.....

 

Ian.

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17 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said:

 

On balance I am Phil.

Otherwise there'll been no escaping the fact that, notwithstanding the fidelity of the model, it will be an expensive joke.

 

I know you will strongly disagree with that, but I have to ask, what are they attempting to produce here, a scale model or a toy?

Is the Pendolino a scale model or a toy or perhaps both.

 

Afterall we play with trains.

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16 minutes ago, Ron Ron Ron said:

 

On balance I am Phil.

Otherwise there'll been no escaping the fact that, notwithstanding the fidelity of the model, it will be an expensive joke.

 

I know you will strongly disagree with that, but I have to ask, what are they attempting to produce here, a scale model or a toy?

 

Rapido used a mechanical tilting mechanism for the APT-E, which has exactly the same issue that it tilts even when moving slowly. But that sold like hot cakes. I don't know whether Hornby's system is quite as sophisticated as Rapido's, but then, it's also a lot cheaper. And the APT-P sold well enough the last time it was in Hornby's catalogue. That's one of the reasons people have been calling for it to come back!

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1 hour ago, Ron Ron Ron said:

 

Well they do make and sell lots of Steam locomotive models and not a single one of them burns coal or emits smoke and steam.

 

 

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I don’t recall any of Hornbys diesel locos actually running on diesel either. Do you recall the Live Steamers? They emitted real steam and had the smell of real steam oil too. If the APT tilt annoys you then modify the bogies or don’t buy one. No one is forcing you to really. And as others have said, if it didn’t tilt at all, there would be hell to pay on here! 

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16 minutes ago, MarkSG said:

Hamley's are to toys what Fortum and Mason are to food - you don't go there if you want cheap, you go there if you want quality.

 

You buy from there if you want to tell people that's where bought it from, the price is largely irrelevant.

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23 minutes ago, MarkSG said:

 

Hamley's isn't a discounter, though. They market themselves as "The Finest Toy Shop in the World" and focus strongly on the premium aspect of their offering. Hamley's are to toys what Fortum and Mason are to food - you don't go there if you want cheap, you go there if you want quality. But turnover doesn't have to be rapid when you're selling on a big margin.

 

I wouldn't say they are a place you go for quality? Isn't it the same stuff you can buy elsewhere but at RRP?

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2 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

I wouldn't say they are a place you go for quality? Isn't it the same stuff you can buy elsewhere but at RRP?

 

Exactly, you just go there for the bag...

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2 minutes ago, TomScrut said:

 

I wouldn't say they are a place you go for quality? Isn't it the same stuff you can buy elsewhere but at RRP?

 

The point is that it's stuff they consider to be up to their standards. Yes, you can often buy the same things elsewhere, and often cheaper. But what you can't find at Hamley's is the tat that you can also buy elsewhere. So buying from Hamleys, particularly if you go in without really knowing what you want but are prepared to browse for a bit, is a reasonable guarantee that whatever you do end up buying will be up to the quality you'd expect and that it won't break or stop working ten days after you take it out of the box.

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I love Hamley’s and obviously floor four is the best but I never buy anything from there as previously mentioned everything railway wise is full rrp. They’ve been there for years ,so must be doing something right.

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40 minutes ago, MarkSG said:

 

Hamley's isn't a discounter, though. They market themselves as "The Finest Toy Shop in the World" and focus strongly on the premium aspect of their offering. Hamley's are to toys what Fortum and Mason are to food - you don't go there if you want cheap, you go there if you want quality. But turnover doesn't have to be rapid when you're selling on a big margin.

 

Used to get dragged into Hamley's when we went to London. Always found it to be a crowded shop selling exactly the same stuff as you could get in Toys R Us. They do have tons of staff around though.

They also had a discount outlet in Swindon but I think that's gone now.

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11 minutes ago, 30801 said:

Used to get dragged into Hamley's when we went to London. Always found it to be a crowded shop selling exactly the same stuff as you could get in Toys R Us. They do have tons of staff around though.

 

The staff are the best thing about Hamleys. Lots of people demonstrating the toys they are selling. It makes visiting a bit magical. You don't get that at a pile'em high sell'em cheap shop!

 

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10 minutes ago, gwrrob said:

They’ve been there for years ,so must be doing something right.

 

They most probably survive off international & local tourism, stick a Hamley's out in the suburbs away from central London or an airport & it would more than likely go bust.

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29 minutes ago, MarkSG said:

 

The point is that it's stuff they consider to be up to their standards. Yes, you can often buy the same things elsewhere, and often cheaper. But what you can't find at Hamley's is the tat that you can also buy elsewhere. So buying from Hamleys, particularly if you go in without really knowing what you want but are prepared to browse for a bit, is a reasonable guarantee that whatever you do end up buying will be up to the quality you'd expect and that it won't break or stop working ten days after you take it out of the box.

 

Dunno, last time I went there it seemed full of whatever gimmicks the kids were after at that time. Maybe they only stock branded products but I would not say "quality" is the word of choice.

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6 minutes ago, Phil Parker said:

 

The staff are the best thing about Hamleys. Lots of people demonstrating the toys they are selling. It makes visiting a bit magical. You don't get that at a pile'em high sell'em cheap shop!

 

 

Yeah that's one good thing about it.

 

It's tourism and bag seekers I think. I went with my son when were in London for the weekend and bought him something as he had some spending money but wouldn't normally go there if I was living in London wanting to buy toys.

 

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