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1 hour ago, Legend said:

Looks like the Hornby 2020 thread has run its course then . No discussion on the range just Coronavirus and apostrophes . 


Those Sound like 2 possible names for TPE class 68s

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Given the current situation in China, it looks like any discussion of possible delivery dates is going to be futile, if not in bad taste, for quite a while.

 

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On 01/02/2020 at 12:36, Hilux5972 said:

Well to be fair, their logo doesn’t actually have an apostrophe. 

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If the people at Hatton’s think it’s all right to stick a random “s” on, why not stick it on at the beginning instead of the end? It would at least describe what Bachmann did. :jester:

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On 06/01/2020 at 14:32, tgk300 said:

Well, who ever has the job within Hornby that gets to decide on what to release has not done a good job and needs sacking. Some of the stuff is alright, most of it is random "Sugar Honey Ice Tea" that quite frankly knowone wants. There is no new GWR Steam Loco's apart from one Star Class, the Class 20 looks like something you would get for free in a magazine from Lidl and then they are doing stupid things like the Stephensons Rocket Train Pack. I mean, where are the Class 68's, GWR IET's, Castle Set HST's, TPE and Caledonian Mk5's, GA 755's and 745's, Class 70's, full detail Class 20's, Manor Class, a decent GWR Panier tank and also a 3 car SWR Class 159. There are two good models in this years January announcments, and those are the GBRF Class 50's and the GBRF 47's, the rest is junk. If this is the standard are the class of model that Hornby are putting out, no wonder the company is basically bankrupt. They are appealing to the wrong people, old LMS and LNER steam is fine if you like that stuff, but don't forget the superior GWR stuff and of course modern image stuff that Hornby's future customer base are growing up with. Eventually Hornby need to realise that the kids of today don't give a toss about LMS coaches and their numbers, a stupid amount of old wagons and Stephensons Rocket. What they want is modern Sprinter units, pacers, aventras, CAF 195's. 

 

I am sorry if I come across angry, but I am. 

 

I'm sure companies the size of Hornby do at least some market research before planning what to make!

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Back on topic. I am personally looking forward to getting the model of 60100 in the DB large logo livery. May have to get a Legomanbiffo decoder to match :).

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22 hours ago, maico said:

 

I'm sure companies the size of Hornby do at least some market research before planning what to make!

I suspect most of us believe that. That ridiculous rant received 27 "funnies" from people who couldn't take the perpetrator seriously, and he has since been banned, I see. 

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On 04/02/2020 at 16:31, Oldddudders said:

I suspect most of us believe that. That ridiculous rant received 27 "funnies" from people who couldn't take the perpetrator seriously, and he has since been banned, I see. 

I learned a long time ago not to feed the trolls and that rant post was probably just bait to get people triggered which I just ignored. Its probably best if rude people like that are not permitted on here because there is no need for that kind of attitude from people like that guy and respect to the mods and staff for dealing with the situation accordingly.

 

From what I have learned in the past is that Hornby will only make a model if there is a market for it mate and to be honest. I think the 2020 range from Hornby is probably better this time than in other years and I am pleased that Hornby has put a lot of effort and thought into their 2020 range for their 100th anniversary and I have a lot of planning to do to ensure that I can get all those nice models that are coming this year because there is a lot on my wish list ;).

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16 hours ago, BritishRail60062 said:

I learned a long time ago not to feed the trolls and that rant post was probably just bait to get people triggered which I just ignored. Its probably best if rude people like that are not permitted on here because there is no need for that kind of attitude from people like that guy and respect to the mods and staff for dealing with the situation accordingly.

 

From what I have learned in the past is that Hornby will only make a model if there is a market for it mate and to be honest. I think the 2020 range from Hornby is probably better this time than in other years and I am pleased that Hornby has put a lot of effort and thought into their 2020 range for their 100th anniversary and I have a lot of planning to do to ensure that I can get all those nice models that are coming this year because there is a lot on my wish list ;).

 

'Tis funny though, isn't it? After all if we all stuck to the narrow plane of events, we would all become pretty boring, pretty quickly. 

 

Perhaps we ought to invite these people back, from time to time, just to keep the pot boiling.

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14 minutes ago, tomparryharry said:

 

Perhaps we ought to invite these people back, from time to time, just to keep the pot boiling.

It would be easy enough to get hold of them, he will no doubt be in his 'safe space' away from all those nasty bullies who didnt agree with him! ;)

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I could be wrong, but when the history of the World is written getting banned from a toy train forum is unlikely to feature as a highlight...

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45 minutes ago, maico said:

I could be wrong, but when the history of the World is written getting banned from a toy train forum is unlikely to feature as a highlight...

You cannot be serious....

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1 hour ago, maico said:

I could be wrong, but when the history of the World is written getting banned from a toy train forum is unlikely to feature as a highlight...

 

I'm not so sure; Some might regard it as a badge of honour !!

 

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I think that Hornby can be a bit over cautious when introducing new models.  For instance by saying that Hornby will not reintroduce the Blue Pullman Hornby has left the field open to Bachmann , by failing to upgrade Hornby's pre-grouping four wheel coach Hornby has left the field open to Hattons and by failing to upgrade Hornby's semaphore signals Hornby has left the field open to Dapol.

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32 minutes ago, Robin Brasher said:

I think that Hornby can be a bit over cautious when introducing new models.  For instance by saying that Hornby will not reintroduce the Blue Pullman Hornby has left the field open to Bachmann , by failing to upgrade Hornby's pre-grouping four wheel coach Hornby has left the field open to Hattons and by failing to upgrade Hornby's semaphore signals Hornby has left the field open to Dapol.


And when those alternatives prove superior to those from H, who’s loss is it?

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1 hour ago, Robin Brasher said:

I think that Hornby can be a bit over cautious when introducing new models.  For instance by saying that Hornby will not reintroduce the Blue Pullman Hornby has left the field open to Bachmann , by failing to upgrade Hornby's pre-grouping four wheel coach Hornby has left the field open to Hattons and by failing to upgrade Hornby's semaphore signals Hornby has left the field open to Dapol.

That cuts both ways, though. By stating they weren't including the Lord Nelson in their upgrade DCC chassis upgrade plans, Bachmann left the door wide open for Hornby.

 

The Hornby 4-wheel coach has never really been a serious contender against anything else, even when dressed up to be part of the TTTE range. It's trainset fodder pure and simple and Hornby's only real opposition in that area comes from wooden push-alongs.

 

Hornby signals fall into a similar category, being loose representations designed to survive being played with whilst clipped to track that may or may not be fixed down. The Dapol items are only suitable for mounting through baseboard surfaces, and priced for an entirely different clientele. Hornby are fully capable of producing signals of equal sophistication, but I'd venture that any such products would sit alongside the existing range rather than replacing it.

 

All that said, I don't consider that Hornby's announced programme for 2020 shows any excess of caution.

 

John

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5 hours ago, tomparryharry said:

 

'Tis funny though, isn't it? After all if we all stuck to the narrow plane of events, we would all become pretty boring, pretty quickly. 

 

Perhaps we ought to invite these people back, from time to time, just to keep the pot boiling.

Amen. I tend to have a polite easy going attitude with a mix of semi-seriousness on this forum. But in truth, I treat people in the way that I would wish to be treated like in real life ;). Off here though I do love to have a good craic and enjoy myself once the Harp beer kicks in at the weekend! :jester:.

 

 

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10 hours ago, maico said:

I could be wrong, but when the history of the World is written getting banned from a toy train forum is unlikely to feature as a highlight...

When the history of the world is re-written, the Hitler parodies will be used to explain the Second World War. Heck, a faulty model brings this forum to the edge of war!

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On 07/02/2020 at 23:47, No Decorum said:

When the history of the world is re-written, the Hitler parodies will be used to explain the Second World War.

".... but Herr Hitler! The new Hornby 'Scotsman is too big for your HO coaches...."

 

Hitler removes glasses with trembling hand, etc.

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2 hours ago, Hal Nail said:

".... but Herr Hitler! The new Hornby 'Scotsman is too big for your HO coaches...."

 

Hitler removes glasses with trembling hand, etc.

 

Someone needs to do it, if only for the archives...  :scared:

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Back on topic, the first fruits of the 2020 range will soon be with us, First the "Commemorative" Rocket, followed in a couple of weeks by the "ordinary" Rocket and the Hornby Book of Trains.

 

I went for an R3810.  I hope it comes soon!

 

Hornby really need to do some additional coach packs, both First and Open, and perhaps "Rockets" on their own, especially if its found possible to alter them to represent later members of the class, like "Northumberland".  Then, perhaps, a Planet?  :jester:

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Coach packs would be fairly easy, I would have thought. New first class coaches would just be different decoration, and the open coaches wouldn't be much more complex than a typical wagon.

 

A rebuilt Rocket, and other Rocket class locos, would be harder as there are some significant differences between the prototype Rocket used at the trials and the production version. So that would mean new tooling.

 

I think it's unlikely, though, that we'll ever see enough RTR era 1 stuff to be able to build a complete layout around it. It wouldn't just need locos and coaches, but also track, signals and other infrastructure. If Hornby - or any other manufacturer - does release more in the future, it's more likely to be other well-known individual locos than more variants of Rocket. Planet would be one obvious contender, as would a member of the Patentee class. Or, go back in time rather than forwards and do something like Locomotion No. 1.

 

The main problem with the early Victorian era was that development was so rapid that few locomotives lasted very long in service. And it's poorly documented, with not many preserved examples. So modelling it is always going to be difficult,

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I’d love to see era 1 RTR (I have suggested unpowered locomotives pushed by powered coaches) but something like this would be tricky to produce.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwCcYUOXE6A

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Era 1 potentially has a lot going for it in terms of space; a reasonable looking main line train can be compressed into 3 feet or so.  Very early locos and stock would be hard to produce in RTR, especially with the loco powered, but the Peckett shows what is possible, even with full cab detail.  Move on a couple of decades from Rocket, though, and there are a plethora of Jenny LInds, Cromptons, Stephenson long boilers, Sharpies and so on with not too much outside motion to worry about and able to be presented in a wide variety of liveries, along with a probably generic range of 4 and 6 wheeled coaches and basic wagons.

 

Era 1 has a lot more 'play value' than some as well, with mixed trains and tail traffic, private saloons, and  open sided passenger stock still in use.  Signalling was a lot more basic, and track formations simpler, so it could be a viable budget option as well.

 

I've been having a bit of a go (who, me?) over on the Blue Box thread about catalogues and unclear information, so it's only fair that I have a bit of a dig at H.  My irritation is piqued by what I think is an incorrect, misleading (not claiming that it is deliberately so) and confusing (especially to newbies) use of language in the online catty.  How can an item that is a 'new tooling' be 'out of stock'; it's never been in stock, and 'out of stock' should IMHO mean items that have been in stock in the past but stocks are now exhausted.   'Available to preorder' is more appropriate for items not in stock but expected at some future date, but some brand new items are both 'out of stock' and 'available to preorder'.  

 

If the catalogue is to use terms such as these, perhaps it would be a good idea to attach a comment or note explaining how the terms are to be interpreted.  We all know the game, but newbies can easily be caught out, and these are the main users of catalogues I suspect.  They buy or are given an item or train set, and immediately look to see how they can develop it.

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Oh a Jenny Lind engine would just be amazing. I need a RTR version in my life 

Even if the cost would be £130-40 

TAKE MY MONEY!!!!

 

 

Ps.  I mean just for a loco and no rolling stock

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