fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Please does anyone have some sample formation (actual vehicle numbers) for the locomotive hauled First Great Western services which operated around 2000-2003 using Mk2e/f air-cons? In those days normally hauled by their own pool of Class 47's (811, 815, 816, 830, 846 and others) and trial Porterbrook livery 57601 as their own four 57602-605 came later. Online research suggests they typically ran as 7 cars, formed BSO, TSO, TSO, TSO, TSO, FO?, FO but one of the FO's had a modified window layout and contained a "micro buffet" positioned at the standard class end of the vehicle. What was the classification of these and/or does anyone know a typical vehicle number, were they just RFB vehicles in the 12xx series or their own varient? Some of them were extended to 9 cars by the addition of two modified GUV vehicles in use as Motorail but I'm not trying to model those. Some, but certainly not all, BSO were modified with a disabled toilet and had the first full window bay reduced to half-sized, I could do with a number for the ones which did get that modification. #9488 which was at Barrow Hill for some years after is an example of a modified BSO, I've found photos of "regular" FO's but none of the buffet added FO other than within formations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted December 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) The buffet coaches would be the mk2d RMBF - converted from the more basic TSOT to RMBT by putting in a proper buffet counter area. Then converted to RMBF with 1st class 2+1 seats and the 2 windows behind the counter (+ adjacent toilet window) plated over. They also had microwaves/combi ovens so that hot snacks could be served. I think the numbers were 6652/6660/6661/6662/6665 Edited December 31, 2019 by keefer To add numbers and correct details Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 A quick check of RMBF in a photo search site pulls vehicle numbers like 6720 and 6722 but the vehicle is 100% bang-on for the type of vehicle I made an approximation of out of the Hornby Mk2 at the time. Photo (not mine) gives a good example... https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/2207299110/ The Railtec transfer sheet has 6720 so that is the one I will use for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted December 31, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2019 9494 was another BSO, and as John Turner's photo of 16/08/2001 on Flickr shows it had a sealed gangway at the brake end. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted January 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) apologies to the numbers I gave in my previous post, I didn't realise they were re-numbered on conversion to RMBF. The RMBT were 6652/6660/6661/6662/6665 (their TSOT number + 50) These became RMBF 6720-4 (in order) Re: the mk2d BSOs, those listed as being FGW, green/gold livery, FGWX pool & allocated to OM (Old Oak Common) as at 24/11/2001 were 9480/81/88/90/92/94 (don't know if they were all modified but presume they were) Source for numbers, AbRail Database, snapshot for 24/11/2001 via Wayback Machine: http://web.archive.org/web/20020204030456/http://www.abrail.co.uk/new_page_6.htm Edited January 1, 2020 by keefer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 Thanks to both, my BSO can stay as 9481 which is the RTR number applied by Hornby, the window layout and end gangway end blanking are done/in progress- lots of inspiration there and useful images there- the real 9481 went into the Network Rail fleet and retains the FGW modifications. The RMBF can become 6720 as per the number on the Railtec sheet unless someone comes back with regular fixed formations for those rakes which they may have had back then! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nat37670 Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 22/07/01 fGW hauled rakes were formed as follows: OC81: 9481 5631 6203 6202 5669 6722 3232 OC82: 9488 5632 5740 5657 5744 6723 3255 OC83: 9480 5710 6221 6213 6206 6724 3261 OC84: 9494 6200 6207 5636 6226 6720 3241 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted January 25, 2020 Share Posted January 25, 2020 29/05/01 57601, 9493, 6202, 5740, 5679, 6722, 3255 25/09/01 47709, 3232, 6721, 5631, 6203, 5700, 5710, 9492 57601, 3255, 6720, 6212, 5679, 6221, 6200, 9494 01/02/03 47811, 3255, 6721, 5737, 5740, 5631, 5669, 5632, 9490, 47815 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted July 2, 2020 Author Share Posted July 2, 2020 Additional question- did anyone ever make a kit of any kind to make the NVA Motorail vans used by First Great Western c2000? The numbers appear to be 96602-96609 range, those are the lowest and highest for which I can find pictures for online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 14 hours ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said: Additional question- did anyone ever make a kit of any kind to make the NVA Motorail vans used by First Great Western c2000? The numbers appear to be 96602-96609 range, those are the lowest and highest for which I can find pictures for online. Assuming 4mm, Model Rail produced an etched conversion kit about 20 years ago and PH Designs offered etches more recently but appear to be discontinued https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/145361-motorails-etches/ 96602-09 are the correct numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Simon Bendall said: Assuming 4mm, Model Rail produced an etched conversion kit about 20 years ago and PH Designs offered etches more recently but appear to be discontinued https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/145361-motorails-etches/ 96602-09 are the correct numbers. Yes, 4mm. With only two liveries and a narrow-ish operating sphere I don't suppose anyone will revive the etchings, let alone produce an RTR model! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 I think there was 1 or 2 in the Network Rail yellow fleet. I thought they were in Big Jim's thread but had a look and it was the Class 73 photo thread: https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/93987-class-73-photos/&do=findComment&comment=2768384 Used as brake force runners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 Yes, NR yellow was the second livery. Although they ran for a short spell shifting cars in/out of Long Marston under Fragonset/Victa Westlink but I don't recall that lasting too long. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 There's actually three liveries, 96602/3/5/7 are being modified for use as European-spec barrier vehicles by Meridian Generic Rail. Most recent post about them with a pic https://www.instagram.com/p/B76ClD0nHkZ/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted July 3, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 hours ago, fiftyfour fiftyfour said: Yes, NR yellow was the second livery. Although they ran for a short spell shifting cars in/out of Long Marston under Fragonset/Victa Westlink but I don't recall that lasting too long. Thanks for that, I thought it was maybe 2 GW liveries Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiftyfour fiftyfour Posted July 3, 2020 Author Share Posted July 3, 2020 Think they only had one livery under Great Western as they had the green and gold derived from "fag pack" when they came out but had gone before the "barbie" livery derived from the bus schemes came into effect. So three liveries to do and a wider operating area with the new uses, but still only 8 vehicles- not enough to justify an RTR but we can dream! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanielP Posted September 6, 2022 Share Posted September 6, 2022 On 25/01/2020 at 23:22, nat37670 said: 22/07/01 fGW hauled rakes were formed as follows: OC81: 9481 5631 6203 6202 5669 6722 3232 OC82: 9488 5632 5740 5657 5744 6723 3255 OC83: 9480 5710 6221 6213 6206 6724 3261 OC84: 9494 6200 6207 5636 6226 6720 3241 @nat37670 Thanks for this information, could I ask a follow up? How correct would this be for 1998-1999? Did fGW have only 4 rakes available? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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