Popular Post Penrhos1920 Posted December 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) So 2020 is almost upon us and it's time to look back at God's Wonderful Railway, sorry I mean the Great Westen Railway, and see what 2020 was in the glorious days of steam. Coach wise 2020 was a T51 centre brake third with a small combined luggage and guard van. Originally built in 1887 as a Standard Gauge body on a Broad Gauge chassis as number 553, it was converted to standard gauge in 1892 and renumbered 2020. Whilst not a picture of 2020 here is what she looked like in 1891/2: and a couple of livery drawings from 1908 and 1923 liveries: Further liveries of coach 2020 can be seen on my website. I'll leave it upto someone else to say something about GWR locos 2020, wagon 2020 (with pictures!) and anything else from past-times 2020 related. Edited December 31, 2019 by Penrhos1920 20 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted December 31, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2019 Lovely idea! Challenge accepted... GWR road fleet number 2020 was a Thornycroft A1 4 or 5 ton lorry introduced in Nov 1929. It probably looked something like this: but it would have had a UW or GC number plate. The only credit I can take for this is for remembering where to look it up! Atkins, "GWR Goods Cartage - Vol 2" Don't Panic! 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2020, Plymouth. Date unknown, probably just before or just after WWI. Has been fitted with large diameter buffer heads. 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimC Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 2020 was the last of the 1901 (850) class of small tank engines built at Wolverhampton. built May 1895, Pannier tanks October 1923, withdrawn December 1938 and sold Jan 1939 to Amalgamated Anthracite Colliieries Ammanford, then Trimsaran in 1950 at which point it was under NCB ownership. Nothing later than that in RCTS and haven't been able to find late photos or what eventually happened, but Trimsaran closed mid 50s. Looks as if she has the H section spokes in the above photo. 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Built at Swindon. https://www.rail-online.co.uk/p876360849/e47fe99d4 Jason 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimC Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Tender 2020 was part of Lot A96, built 1916 and allocated to locomotive lot 206, which includes the GWS' 5322. The tender currently on 5322 is 1994, and as close as any that survive. 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 Tender 2020 went to France in 1917 behind loco 7322. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Very frustrating that the photo of loco 2020 is in front of a poster announcing the launch of a new Sunday paper, which ought to allow exact dating, but can I find any reference to the paper on the web? Nope! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: Very frustrating that the photo of loco 2020 is in front of a poster announcing the launch of a new Sunday paper, which ought to allow exact dating, but can I find any reference to the paper on the web? Nope! I found this: http://paintedsignsandmosaics.blogspot.com/2011/06/sunday-illustrated-gillette-and-iron.html It appears to be about July 1921. Edited December 31, 2019 by Coppercap 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Fascinating! Well done for finding that. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 (edited) The poster states that the first issue would be on sale July 3rd* which was indeed a Sunday in 1921. There appears to be some dodgy dealing involved https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Bottomley * I thought at first sight it was a '5', but, on closer investigation, it's a '3'. Since this is my first post of 2020, Happy New Year Everybody! Edited January 1, 2020 by Il Grifone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimC Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 15 hours ago, Penrhos1920 said: Tender 2020 went to France in 1917 behind loco 7322. *Seven* Three Two Two ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillCav Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 59 minutes ago, JimC said: *Seven* Three Two Two ?? Was that one of the ones that had a weight added to the front buffer beam to add stability on the Devon banks? Will Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I suggest a typo for 5322. 7322 was renumbered from 9300 in 1957 and had a windowed cab. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Here's what the Railway Heritage Register says about the tender currently coupled to 5322. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted January 1, 2020 Author Share Posted January 1, 2020 5 hours ago, JimC said: *Seven* Three Two Two ?? That’s the number given in the article in Pannier that I got that information from. But 5322 is the correct number as 7322 wasn’t built until 1932 and 5322 was brand new in 1917. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 16, 2020 So what was wagon No. 2020? Also sheet No. 2020... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimC Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: So what was wagon No. 2020? It was impossible to find in the time I was prepared to spend looking! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium M.I.B Posted January 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2020 17 hours ago, Compound2632 said: So what was wagon No. 2020? Also sheet No. 2020... Sheet 2020 was a tarpaulin............ Hope that rolls that one up. Promise it's not a cover-up. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penrhos1920 Posted January 17, 2020 Author Share Posted January 17, 2020 20 hours ago, Compound2632 said: So what was wagon No. 2020? Unfortunately the lowest number wagon in Atkins et al is G15 no.5878 But opens diagram O21 were numbered in the range 2000 to 9999. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 17, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Penrhos1920 said: But opens diagram O21 were numbered in the range 2000 to 9999. My understanding of O21 is that these were 19th century 4-plank wagons upgraded with double-sided brakes in the 1920s. Over 24,000 of the original wagons were built 1887-1902, mostly taking new numbers. Were wagons converted to O21 renumbered? 2 hours ago, Penrhos1920 said: Unfortunately the lowest number wagon in Atkins et al is G15 no.5878 My notes from Atkins 3rd edition list quite a few numbers below that, e.g. 3,400 of those 4-plank wagons had numbers in the range 2 - 10853. I'd have to borrow the book again to see what actual numbers are listed. However, as I discovered (thanks to you, @Penrhos1920) re. 19th century wood minks, Atkins can be far from complete. Edited January 17, 2020 by Compound2632 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Prism Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: Were wagons converted to O21 renumbered? I don't think so. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Wagon 2020 would be something 19th century and probably pre-diagram book. Open of <4 planks would be the favourite for me, though it could just as easily be a roof less cattle wagon or brake van. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimC Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 Statistically by far the .ost likely is the open because there were so many more of them. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hal Nail Posted January 18, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 18, 2020 Did their horses have numbers? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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