Jump to content

Hornby APT (2020 tooling)


PaulRhB
 Share

Recommended Posts

2 hours ago, boxbrownie said:

Exactly, which means if you want to control the coach lighting it needs a function decoder in each coach.

 

If you want the interior lighting on all the time (even when in sidings/fiddle yard?) it’s fine.

 

Ah I think I go the wrong end of the stick, sorry. 

Edited by E100
  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

The interior lights of each trailer vehicle are independently powered, and are constant on. You do not need a decoder in each vehicle to operate the interior lights. You do need a decoder for the power car, and function decoders in each driving trailer to operate head/tail lights. So for a 5 coach set = 2xfunction only in the driving trailers  and 1x dcc decoder in the power car. Same for a 7 car set, and for the 14 car set I assume 1 for each power car and the 2 function only ones in the driving trailer.  Access to the decoder socket is 2 small screws to remove a small blanking panel under the chassis and is common to the driving trailer and the power car. All very simple really - to dcc fit the entire train should take about 5 minutes start to finish - probably less time than putting it on the tracks! Also remember that the 3 decoders will need to be addressed together to enable the directional head / tail lighting. There is no easy option to control the interior lights - you could do it but then you would need to cut into the coach lighting circuit in each vehicle and add in a function decoder hard wired. Hope that helps clear up the queries ! Enjoy!

  • Like 2
  • Agree 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, progers said:

The interior lights of each trailer vehicle are independently powered, and are constant on. You do not need a decoder in each vehicle to operate the interior lights. You do need a decoder for the power car, and function decoders in each driving trailer to operate head/tail lights. So for a 5 coach set = 2xfunction only in the driving trailers  and 1x dcc decoder in the power car. Same for a 7 car set, and for the 14 car set I assume 1 for each power car and the 2 function only ones in the driving trailer.  Access to the decoder socket is 2 small screws to remove a small blanking panel under the chassis and is common to the driving trailer and the power car. All very simple really - to dcc fit the entire train should take about 5 minutes start to finish - probably less time than putting it on the tracks! Also remember that the 3 decoders will need to be addressed together to enable the directional head / tail lighting. There is no easy option to control the interior lights - you could do it but then you would need to cut into the coach lighting circuit in each vehicle and add in a function decoder hard wired. Hope that helps clear up the queries ! Enjoy!

Your description before was perfectly clear I was just stating “if” you want to operate the interior lighting on DCC (ie on and off) each coach would need its own function decoder.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, boxbrownie said:

Your description before was perfectly clear I was just stating “if” you want to operate the interior lighting on DCC (ie on and off) each coach would need its own function decoder.

And you would need to modify the electrics to have switchable lights. 

Link to post
Share on other sites

10 hours ago, Hilux5972 said:

And you would need to modify the electrics to have switchable lights. 

Yes, break the circuit between track and lights, a simple and common procedure.

 

As an aside, is there provision for a speaker in the main motor coach? (Those that have seen it already)

Link to post
Share on other sites

18 minutes ago, No Decorum said:

It would be easy to control the trailer lights using a switched section of track. I assume the head and tail lights works on DC without decoders fitted.

 

I dare say even on DCC that's a lot cheaper for a siding or two where you park it parked up!

Link to post
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Can't see why you would want to be able to switch each coach's lights on/off independently of one another.

Because it’s hardly realistic with an APT sitting in sidings with coach lighting on except the driving trailers each end in darkness……dunno, maybe that was prototypical? :D

 

My observation was just that, to control interior passenger lighting you will need a decoder in each coach, if you want a critical observation then I would say at the price I’d expect it engineered in, I’ve got over fifteen year old Kato N gauge multiple units that I can do just that with.

Link to post
Share on other sites

3 hours ago, E100 said:

 

I dare say even on DCC that's a lot cheaper for a siding or two where you park it parked up!

It would be yes, but that defeats the object of DCC…….as I said above it was merely an observation, I won’t be commenting any further on the subject for fear of pitchforks and burning stakes at sundown. :rolleyes:

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

14 minutes ago, WestRail642fan said:

new video of the APT on the Waterman layout with the lights on. and quite a witty response
https://fb.watch/7d5FCADHs3/

Cant see what was witty about that, it was just an insult. Still, do we care?......

He should be so lucky, lucky, lucky,lucky,

He should be so lucky.....

Ah such poetry!  

  • Like 1
  • Funny 4
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • RMweb Gold
1 hour ago, WestRail642fan said:

new video of the APT on the Waterman layout with the lights on. and quite a witty response
https://fb.watch/7d5FCADHs3/

Also struggling with the witty part! Didn’t see much moaning on here having just read back but the irony is the amount of moaning about this forum on the Facebook thread is much more than the moaning on here about the model!

  • Agree 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

10 minutes ago, Markwj said:

Also struggling with the witty part! Didn’t see much moaning on here having just read back but the irony is the amount of moaning about this forum on the Facebook thread is much more than the moaning on here about the model!

Ironic that he posts it on book of the face, one of the biggest froth producers known to man!

  • Agree 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

On 05/08/2021 at 14:00, E100 said:

Slightly off topic so feel free to split. Very new to DCC - is there such a thing as a cheap slave decoder for the end car purpose that play's nicely with the main decoder and doesn't include all the functionality such as motor control back EMF or is this basically just an accessory decoder?

 

ESU do Lokpilot and Loksound FX decoders which don't have the driving functionality, but in the case of the Lokpilot FX it's dearer than cheap driving decoders if absolute cost is the priority on decoders. I only use ESU and so if I was getting an APT I'd be considering the FX.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Just to go back to the issue of dcc fitting, i think Hornby are falling a long way behind with dcc provision. Bachmann and even Heljan (according to the spec on the 47 and 86/4) are getting on board with dcc functionality, but needing three 8 pin decoders in one train is a poor effort in my book.  Rapido apte only needed one (and also eliminated daylight between coaches, and various Bachmann multiple unit  sets have electrical connectors between cars, so its not exactly cutting edge stuff.  

Im eagerly awaiting my APT, but Hornby need to raise their game, they cant rely on their name forever.

  • Like 3
  • Agree 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

20 minutes ago, Roddy Angus said:

Does anyone do figures of reporters throwing up?:D

Just get modelu to scan you mid-hurl.  Prepare for your scan with 12 pints and a large kebab and you should acheive the right look. Best wear some flares though for period authenticity.

  • Funny 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, The Ghost of IKB said:

Just to go back to the issue of dcc fitting, i think Hornby are falling a long way behind with dcc provision. Bachmann and even Heljan (according to the spec on the 47 and 86/4) are getting on board with dcc functionality, but needing three 8 pin decoders in one train is a poor effort in my book.  Rapido apte only needed one (and also eliminated daylight between coaches, and various Bachmann multiple unit  sets have electrical connectors between cars, so its not exactly cutting edge stuff.  

Im eagerly awaiting my APT, but Hornby need to raise their game, they cant rely on their name forever.

Very much agreed, when Bachmann units from 2009 have a more sophisticated dcc interface then a new tooled 2021 unit, it is shocking. Hornby could’ve used the VEP coupling? I believe that’s their only conductive coupler (early Brighton belle). Like when compared to the much older Midland and Western Pullman, it is disappointing. 

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Class 158 productions said:

Very much agreed, when Bachmann units from 2009 have a more sophisticated dcc interface then a new tooled 2021 unit, it is shocking. Hornby could’ve used the VEP coupling? I believe that’s their only conductive coupler (early Brighton belle). Like when compared to the much older Midland and Western Pullman, it is disappointing. 

 

Hornby have put both 4 and 6 pin conductive couplers on some their Electrotren (and probably other Hornby Int'l brands) models, and that was ten years ago.  Pretty much all the Hornby Int'l locos and multiple units now have 21 pin DCC sockets. 

 

I guess their market research tells them OO modellers don't want these things......

Edited by ellocoloco
  • Informative/Useful 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, ellocoloco said:

 

Hornby have put both 4 and 6 pin conductive couplers on some their Electrotren (and probably other Hornby Int'l brands) models, and that was ten years ago.  Pretty much all the Hornby Int'l locos and multiple units now have 21 pin DCC sockets. 

 

I guess their market research tells them OO modellers don't want these things......

Or is it Hornby still see the brand as more Train set than scale models? 

Link to post
Share on other sites

1 hour ago, Class 158 productions said:

Hornby could’ve used the VEP coupling? I believe that’s their only conductive coupler (early Brighton belle).

On the NDM but not the rest :lol: , the articulated bogies would have been a good opportunity for building in robust power couplings too but I guess the cost balance shot up so they went for a compromise to keep it under control. When people are comparing it to the BP, with a quick Google, it’s actually £100 a BP coach compared to   £76 an APT coach in the 7 car and £50 per coach for the extension packs. That extra £24- £50 per coach goes a long way in extra bits but how many would afford a £1400 full set? They are balancing costs against their research into market and those whose job depends on it have to decide on the risks :) 

  • Like 3
  • Agree 3
  • Interesting/Thought-provoking 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, Roddy Angus said:

Does anyone do figures of reporters throwing up?:D

These were just six some of the very first passengers on the new APT-P. They all reported neausea and the gentleman with his hands up in the air Is still frozen in this very position now, of disbelief as his British Rail coffee spilt all over his milk and dairy products sales figures documents.

r564.jpg

  • Funny 4
Link to post
Share on other sites

  • PaulRhB changed the title to Hornby APT (2020 tooling)

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

×
×
  • Create New...