Hornby APT (2020 tooling)

[andyman7]

I was prevaricating over going for a full set but have gone for it because the way that Hornby are selling the add-on packs. Every pack gives you an identical coach from each of two 7-car (half)-sets, so if you only buy some packs you end up symmetrically reducing the train you can run. Getting all the packs allows for maximum flexibility for running short sets, as you can run (for example) a full 7 set paired with a reduced set. I remember the APT during the years it ran up and down the WCML (I grew up in Hatch End) and it is bang in the middle of my core modelling period so if any 'special' train deserves to be accommodated in my fleet it is this one.

 

I hope one day to create a wall display of some of my favourite trains and it did occur to me that having the half sets on two rows would be a practical way to avoid having to find a 4m shelf run!

[Bloodnok]

12 hours ago, Dagworth said:

You are probably correct, I was more thinking when I made that comment that it was certainly a lot longer than the "around 3 metres" that I responded to. So actually "Around 4 metres" would be better?

 

Yeah, it's definitely going to be in the nearly-four-metres range. Plan for 4m of space to fit the full set. 3m should comfortably fit the shorter 2+2+6 formation.

 

12 hours ago, Dagworth said:

My rough rule of thumb is that a 4mm coach of any sort is around a foot long so a fourteen car APT should be close to 14 ft long which would be 4 and a bit metres, but my rule of thumb is a bit generous I guess?

 

That rule of thumb works perfectly for Mk3s or Mk4s, which are absolutely that long. This, being articulated, is a little shorter in each coach.

[rob D2]

On 25/12/2021 at 16:54, Mr_Tilt said:

Like the APT-E, it probably could be restored and run, but it would need MILLIONS in cash and a change in heart of Network Rail, or whoever they are this week.

Come on now, they’ve been network rail for 20 years . I know we never miss a dig at a government dinosaur and all that…

[rob D2]

First time I’ve seen one running , is on YouTube with a review from “ OO rail”, he’s stateside and got his first five car from Hong Kong..hmmm.

 

Anyway, seems a bit flimsy ( NDM bogie pivot broken in transit ) in places but seems to run well.

[Mr_Tilt]

1 hour ago, rob D2 said:

Come on now, they’ve been network rail for 20 years . I know we never miss a dig at a government dinosaur and all that…

 

But not for long.............

[zoomer1979]

I'm a bit worried that a single motorised NDM will not be enough to run a full 14 rake up to 155 on a typical layout, e.g some slight gradients and tight curves. If that's the case I hope there is still availability of them somewhere for RRP.

 

Neil.

[APT-P]

Hornby APT-P Calendar page for January here -

 

https://uk.Hornby.com/community/blog-and-news/wallpapers/january-2022-desktop-calendar

[InterCity80s]

On 29/12/2021 at 00:38, zoomer1979 said:

I'm a bit worried that a single motorised NDM will not be enough to run a full 14 rake up to 155 on a typical layout, e.g some slight gradients and tight curves.

Not sure about with a single power car but it certainly seems to run well enough with two powered NDMs:

 

 

[atom3624]

She's certainly flying there!!

More gentle radii than many have, but impressive 'handling' without falling off the rails.

 

How warm were the motors after that run - not something you'd want to maintain for perhaps 20+ minutes' time I suppose!

 

Al.

[JSpencer]

3 hours ago, InterCity80s said:

Not sure about with a single power car but it certainly seems to run well enough with two powered NDMs:

 

 

 Fortunately the real thing never took those sharp corners at those speeds. Even the tilt mechanism is not going to save passengers being thrown against the outer windows lol.

[adb968008]

16 minutes ago, JSpencer said:

 Fortunately the real thing never took those sharp corners at those speeds. Even the tilt mechanism is not going to save passengers being thrown against the outer windows lol.

Will the capacitor survive the curves though ?

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by adb968008

[letterspider]

Where did he get the model from?

[oleander]

13 minutes ago, letterspider said:

Where did he get the model from?

My Guess is Hornby has supplied some You Tubers first so they can do reviews. There was some plugging for Hornby.com in the vid 

[InterCity80s]

10 minutes ago, oleander said:

My Guess is Hornby has supplied some You Tubers first so they can do reviews. There was some plugging for Hornby.com in the vid 

 

 

On 28/12/2021 at 15:20, rob D2 said:

First time I’ve seen one running , is on YouTube with a review from “ OO rail”, he’s stateside and got his first five car from Hong Kong.

 

[rhnrhn]

50 minutes ago, oleander said:

My Guess is Hornby has supplied some You Tubers first so they can do reviews. There was some plugging for Hornby.com in the vid 

According to the first video, he got it from a shop in Hong Kong.

[andyman7]

On 24/12/2021 at 15:51, WestRail642fan said:

I think BR just wanted to wipe away any trace of the APT, hence why they were scrapped so quickly

Except that the set at Crewe was donated by BR so clearly there was a recognition of the historic value

58 minutes ago, oleander said:

My Guess is Hornby has supplied some You Tubers first so they can do reviews. There was some plugging for Hornby.com in the vid 

 

7 minutes ago, rhnrhn said:

According to the first video, he got it from a shop in Hong Kong.

The only reason we don't have the sets here yet is that they are stuck somewhere in a container backlog. That's why sets not destined for Europe have appeared on sale - they never went into the container being used to ship the domestic supply.

[rob D2]

2 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Will the capacitor survive the curves though ?

 

He has an obsession with “ will the capacitor show through the window “. Show him a first generation Bachmann 150 with the engine block filling the coach - he’d implode !

[rob D2]

1 hour ago, oleander said:

My Guess is Hornby has supplied some You Tubers first so they can do reviews. There was some plugging for Hornby.com in the vid 

You didn’t watch it then 

[boxbrownie]

2 hours ago, letterspider said:

Where did he get the model from?

China…..

[boxbrownie]

1 hour ago, rob D2 said:

He has an obsession with “ will the capacitor show through the window “. Show him a first generation Bachmann 150 with the engine block filling the coach - he’d implode !

Slight difference between a capacitor which could easily be placed elsewhere to hide it and a bloomin’ great big motor block with no where else to go, but nowadays even a motor block should really be “old school” and low slung motors under the seating is easily possible, Kato did it almost 20 years ago in 2mm with their DMU/EMU trains.

 

Some manufacturers are slowly coming around to the idea that customers might actually care, not all though.

[aureol40012]

3 hours ago, rob D2 said:

You didn’t watch it then 

Does my head in that, so many people say “my guess is” when the actual factual answer would take them less than a minute to find. People like to reinforce their own beliefs rather than find out the facts.

[sandwich station]

6 hours ago, letterspider said:

Where did he get the model from?

 

He bought it from a model shop in Hong Kong and had it air freighted.

[Markwj]

I am getting excited that tomorrow is January- the model is expected in January therefore could be in my sweaty mitts in the next 31 days!

[Markwj]

Right it’s January where is my APT?!!

[wairoa]

The APT for sale from Hong Kong on ebay as had a price reduction. $70 U.S cut from the price.  I wonder if OO Rail on You Tube bought his from this seller on ebay. 

 

https://www.ebay.com/itm/194536006944?hash=item2d4b3fe520:g:vOMAAOSwtKFhnydt

Edited January 1, 2022 by wairoa