RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) On 24/12/2019 at 10:11, AY Mod said: BR Class 370 Advanced Passenger Train–Prototype Image - Phil Sangwell Edited January 10, 2022 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 So one for the experts, which coaches are needed for formations up to the full set from the list? Is there a site listing the variations? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Starter for 10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_370 Edited January 6, 2020 by ruggedpeak 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 I am sure more details will become available closer to the release date. With only twin extensions packs announced, it looks like building a 14 coach set may require buying 15 & having a spare. I am sure the range will be refined before the release date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 So 001 had all 01 ending numbers and so on I assume? I know all sorts of formations actually ran so was wondering if there was a list somewhere. I’ll need to sit down and figure out what’s already in the sets and then what coaches to add. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said: I am sure more details will become available closer to the release date. With only twin extensions packs announced, it looks like building a 14 coach set may require buying 15 & having a spare. I am sure the range will be refined before the release date. Eh? You buy a set then add two coaches at a time, the unpowered driving trailer R3948 makes up the odd one to make 14 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Sets certainly ran as 2+1+2 on test (trailers+power cars+trailers) as well as 6+2+6. When I caught the train on 30 & 31 August 1984 it was running as 2+2+6, 48106, 48602, 49003, 49001, 48607, 48503, 48303, 48406, 48201, 48107. Only the 6 car set carried passengers. Edited January 6, 2020 by Flood 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, ruggedpeak said: Starter for 10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_370 … or for 14. I could probably accommodate a 7-car half set at a push, but I wonder how many modellers have space a for a full 14-car set. At the time I was quite happy to see the train "fail" as it meant continued operation on the WCML by locos and coaches. With hindsight, it's a shame the necessary investment was made to see out the faults, seeing as how well Fiat made use of the technology it bought as a result. BR could have been world leaders in tilting train technology had things been different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Thanks Flood, that confirms it’s not so simple R3874 - BR Class 370 APT R3873 - BR Class 370 APT Additional Coaches R3948 - BR Class 370 APT Non-Driving Motor (NDM), 49004, Era 7 Edited January 6, 2020 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Eh? You buy a set then add two coaches at a time, the unpowered driving trailer R3948 makes up the odd one to make 14 R3498 is not in the list above & Hornby's website was running so slow it was unusable. (Maybe they host this locally, an elastic cloud solution There are 4 2-packs for sets ending in 1 & 2, which is for the 7-car set. 4x2 = 8 & the 7 car set makes it up to 15. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said: R3498 is not in the list above & Hornby's website was running so slow it was unusable. (Maybe they host this locally, an elastic cloud solution There are 4 2-packs for sets ending in 1 & 2, which is for the 7-car set. 4x2 = 8 & the 7 car set makes it up to 15. You'll need 2 power cars for a full set, so maybe the 7 car set has 2? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, brushman47544 said: seeing as how well Fiat made use of the technology it bought as a result. Fiat technology was developed in house at the same time BR developed the APT. APT technology was used elsewhere but not by Fiat. Pendolinos use the Fiat system. Voyagers use a development of the APT system. 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, brushman47544 said: … or for 14. I could probably accommodate a 7-car half set at a push, but I wonder how many modellers have space a for a full 14-car set. At the time I was quite happy to see the train "fail" as it meant continued operation on the WCML by locos and coaches. With hindsight, it's a shame the necessary investment was made to see out the faults, seeing as how well Fiat made use of the technology it bought as a result. BR could have been world leaders in tilting train technology had things been different. Although the need for tilt may already be past - as other trains have got faster now the need for tilt to maximise the cant into corners is dropping away - soon they may simply just adjust the cant on the track itself and not need the tilt - a major cost saving and lets things like IEPs run at 125 on the WCML. What was once futuristic is already the past. But I am pleased to see an RTR APT-P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 What is R4970? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, sandwich station said: You'll need 2 power cars for a full set, so maybe the 7 car set has 2? Indeed you do. The figures don't quite add up yet. Maybe things will change as it gets closer to release date. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, ColinK said: What is R4970? An experimental coach. APT sat on articulated bogies, this one sat on dedicated bogies. I believe there was only 1 & I have seen a photo but can't find it on the net. I do not believe it ran as part of an APT set. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Pete the Elaner said: An experimental coach. APT sat on articulated bogies, this one sat on dedicated bogies. I believe there was only 1 & I have seen a photo but can't find it on the net. I do not believe it ran as part of an APT set. Is this what became the prototype MK4? Cheers, 60800 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 6, 2020 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) I suspect as Flood noted the set numbers are theoretically a full set but seemed to vary a lot in use. As far as I knew a 14 coach set was driving trailer, 5 coaches and power car back to back with a second set. But 8 + 7 car set + second power car = 16 so one of those twin coach sets must be in the 7 car set already? So to extend the 7 car set you only need 6 coaches and a R3948 as far as I can see. Edited January 6, 2020 by PaulRhB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Markwj Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 Have pre- ordered the 7 coach set in my excitement but will await further details before ordering anymore but also I want black window surrounds so may be cancelling what I just ordered! Mega excited though which is quite sad for a 48yr old! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixie Dean Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) My goodness, all these new goodies, bang goes the bank balance again!! I wonder if DJM Dave provided anything to help this project along? Edited January 6, 2020 by Dixie Dean 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 20 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said: An experimental coach. APT sat on articulated bogies, this one sat on dedicated bogies. I believe there was only 1 & I have seen a photo but can't find it on the net. I do not believe it ran as part of an APT set. http://www.departmentals.com/departmental/977527 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ouroborus Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dixie Dean said: I wonder if DJM Dave provided anything to help this project along? a list of happy customers? 2 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixie Dean Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 All I need now are the extra coaches for a Eurostar (just made 4 which are being sprayed as I write this) and a remotored Eurostar power car and all my homemade projects will have been superseded. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Dixie Dean said: I wonder if DJM Dave provided anything to help this project along? Nope! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denbridge Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Pete the Elaner said: An experimental coach. APT sat on articulated bogies, this one sat on dedicated bogies. I believe there was only 1 & I have seen a photo but can't find it on the net. I do not believe it ran as part of an APT set. I am pretty sure it's part of the national collection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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