YesTor Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, RedgateModels said: Unlikely, and even if they did surely they will get the colours right this time so new intermediate coaches will stand out like a sore thumb ..... Assume nothing 8 hours ago, stovepipe said: From the price differential between 5 and 7-car sets, it looks like two additional trailers for the 7-car set, Possibly the TS or maybe the TSRB, but it hasn't been confirmed yet. Above 7-car formations the real thing would have had two NDMS, but the model probably doesn't actually need another motor at this point. Then its adding the remaining trailers in pairs of TU, TSRB and TF. Hmmm, yeah, I see what you mean regarding the price difference, so maybe the 7-car set is: DTS + TS + TBF + NDM + TBF + TS + DTS But still, a representation of the second NDM would still be required (whether motorised or dummy), and the one available seems to be confirmed as being 49004, which logically would be part of 370 004, so I'm thinking that in order to achieve a 14-car set that actually we would need to start with the 5-car unit (assuming DTS + TBF + M + TBF + DTS) and add all 4 coach packs along with the additional NDM. This assumes of course that 370 003 & 370 004 actually ran as a 14-car set? Maybe someone more knowledgeable on APT formations of the time can enlighten us on this last point? On the other hand, if assuming that the 7-car set is required as a starting point (which admittedly I had assumed), then you are either going to end up with an incorrectly numbered NDM, together with the consideration that one of the coach packs would likely be pointless (TS?), as presumably they are included in the 5-car default unit? Unless of course other configurations also ran at the time including extra TS vehicles in place of TRSB/TF - again a more knowledgeable source might be useful. Al Edited January 7, 2020 by YesTor Now irrelevant, clarification provided below in subsequent posts... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John ks Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, Captainalbino said: Do you mean a bit like this? the above pic looks like the actual 7-car formation featuring the APT-U development car 2 hours ago, 60800 said: Morning all, I've asked Paul Isles about the formations and liveries for the APT sets, this being his direct quoted answer; ''The 7-car APT (which is based on an actual 7-car formation featuring the APT-U development car) will feature the black window surround, while the 5-car will feature the plain yellow front. The catalogue, on p.61, features full details, along with additional vehicle numbers and how they will complete sets.'' I'm happy to post his response to me due to him stating only what will evidently be in the catalogue when people get their hands on it Cheers, 60800 Start with the 7 car set & you've got the set shown above Remove the APT-U coach & add R40011A TS & or R40012A TRBS & or R40013A TU & or R40014A TF to make 8,10,12, or 14 car sets I've upgraded the following table to reflect what I now believe to be correct Unit number followed by Hornby "R" number Sets are highlighted & coach packs are colour coded John Edited January 7, 2020 by John ks 1 5 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YesTor Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 6 minutes ago, John ks said: I've upgraded the following table to reflect what I now believe to be correct Unit number followed by Hornby "R" number Sets are highlighted & coach packs are colour coded John That does indeed make sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 16 minutes ago, John ks said: the above pic looks like the actual 7-car formation featuring the APT-U development car Start with the 7 car set & you've got the set shown above Remove the APT-U coach & add R40011A TS & or R40012A TRBS & or R40013A TU & or R40014A TF to make 8,10,12, or 14 car sets I've upgraded the following table to reflect what I now believe to be correct Unit number followed by Hornby "R" number Sets are highlighted & coach packs are colour coded John Well done that man! Fancy a job in Hornby? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John ks Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Just now, Legend said: Well done that man! Fancy a job in Hornby? That would be a great job but the commute would be horrendous John 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixie Dean Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Can any tell me whether they have said if it is a central motor driving the two bogies, or it just a motor mounted on a bogie with traction tyres? I'd also really like some more clarification about how they are going to mount the pantograph. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) I'd be tempted if it's like the HD HST - central motor with 8-wheel-drive, and tilting as well. My Virgin HST is fantastic - smooth, quiet, very fast and powerful!! Al. Edited January 7, 2020 by atom3624 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritishRail60062 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dixie Dean said: Can any tell me whether they have said if it is a central motor driving the two bogies, or it just a motor mounted on a bogie with traction tyres? I'd also really like some more clarification about how they are going to mount the pantograph. If the HST and the Class 800 are anything to go by. I would imagine that this new APT will have all wheel drive with a central can motor on the power car that was mounted into the middle of the train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixie Dean Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 10 minutes ago, BritishRail60062 said: If the HST and the Class 800 are anything to go by. I would imagine that this new APT will have all wheel drive with a central can motor on the power car that was mounted into the middle of the train. I really hope so, also I'd like plenty of fine detail. But if anyone can find out about the pantograph I'd be interested to hear about how they are going to mount it. The old one was badly mounted and very large. I'd prefer it was the BWHS version as well! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Harvey Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) One useful link I found on the DJModels APT-P topic was this. Can't see it on this thread though I may well have missed it. http://www.apt-p.com/APTConfigurations.htm http://www.apt-p.com/aptindex.htm Edited January 7, 2020 by Mike Harvey Extra link 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 9 minutes ago, Dixie Dean said: Can any tell me whether they have said if it is a central motor driving the two bogies, or it just a motor mounted on a bogie with traction tyres? I'd also really like some more clarification about how they are going to mount the pantograph. The model has only just been announced. I am sure further details will be released later. It is possible that some are currently undecided in case they have to be changed later. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Dixie Dean said: Can any tell me whether they have said if it is a central motor driving the two bogies, or it just a motor mounted on a bogie with traction tyres? I'd also really like some more clarification about how they are going to mount the pantograph. I would imagine it will be done much like my own NDM with a centrally motored chassis driving all four axles (ex Heljan in my case) and the pan mounted on the chassis so that it stays both vertical and in line with the car, while the body is able to roll/tilt around the central chassis. I can't see any other way of making a central motored vehicle with tilt. Andi Edited January 7, 2020 by Dagworth 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixie Dean Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dagworth said: I would imagine it will be done much like my own NDM with a centrally motored chassis driving all four axles (ex Heljan in my case) and the pan mounted on the chassis so that it stays both vertical and in line with the car, while the body is able to roll/tilt around the central chassis. I can't see any other way of making a central motored vehicle with tilt. I've done my old one the same Andi. Not got a pantograph for it yet though. Still waiting to be able to buy a decent one as a spare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
60800 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, John ks said: I've upgraded the following table to reflect what I now believe to be correct Unit number followed by Hornby "R" number Sets are highlighted & coach packs are colour coded John So, buy the 7 car set and one of the TRBS sets, knock out the APT-U, one of the NDM's, add in one of the TRBS coaches, do a bit of renumbering and you have the preserved example at Crewe Edit* With only needing to flog the APT-U and the spare TRBS, the latter of which shouldn't be too difficult as others may want to re-create the survivor too. I'll be keeping the APT-U as it's the development step between APT and Intercity 225 Cheers, 60800 Edited January 7, 2020 by 60800 Extra info 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Does this fit into my modelling period - no. Did I buy an APT E - yes, so I'm going to order a 7 car set and hope (sorry to wishlist so soon) that it's a success for Hornby and they get tempted to do an HST P set. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2020 4 hours ago, stovepipe said: Well yes, and their catalogue is often error-strewn too, but I meant the listing for the 7-car gives a lot of detail, everything apart from what is actually included! https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/br-class-370-advanced-passenger-train-set-370-001-and-370-002-7-car-pack-era-7.html Hornby could be great company if they were properly customer focussed. The big announcement to create excitement, followed by confusion and frustration. I would have placed an order by now if things were clear from the start, which should surely be their focus. As stated above from Paul Isles via a member messaging him, page 61 in the catalogue will contain full formation details and which products to order to complete the sets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 And as stated by me, why not put it on the bl**dy website. it's 2020 for gawd's sake. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 22 hours ago, Padishar Creel said: A one-off thread hijack Whilst highly unlikely, I would love to see Hornby produce an N-Gauge version. Now back to the thread please es grüßt pc Well they did an N Gauge version of the Brighton Belle so there is a slight possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Their subsidiary Arnold did the Brighton Belle, not Hornby themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Matt C Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 hours ago, stovepipe said: Yes I accept that a sensible compromise must be made and options limited. It is a potential minefield, which is why Hornby need to be clear. The 5-car set was not in doubt - it can only be formed one way. However the website does not say that it is the yellow front version, which has only come to light today, via someone sending a PM to Paul Isles. Similarly the 7-car set has just been confirmed as the black front version, yet we still don't know for sure what is included. I mean it's not like it's their flagship 2020 release or anything... *Random quote picked* I'm feeling Deja vu . . . . Arguments over APTs 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 2 hours ago, stovepipe said: And as stated by me, why not put it on the bl**dy website. it's 2020 for gawd's sake. Perhaps they would like you to buy the catalogue, 2020 or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) I might do, but the last one I had (2009?) was full of errors..... Besides the catalogue is printed and out this week, so someone already knows, and the details of the 5-car are on the webpage already, .............well, you know what I'm going to say....put it here. Edited January 7, 2020 by stovepipe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 at the pretty decent prices we have seen I would not build up any hopes of interior lighting being a feature on this model. certainly nothing listed in the spec but I dont feel its doable at this price point. Be great if Hornby didas more models come along with interior lighting but with all the gubbins (pick ups, inter coach connections and light bars etc) on a 7 car set I would be thinking the price would be considerably higher. exterior and cab lights at best I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Of course if you did have interior lighting you'd need tartan seat covers too. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, BernardTPM said: Of course if you did have interior lighting you'd need tartan seat covers too. I will be quite happy if I can just get inside easily to add these things. Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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