RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted October 22, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 26 minutes ago, Erixtar1992 said: Except it wasnt, was it? I didnt say it was the worst model created. For the price however, im dissapointed with it. It should be top tier stuff for that money, yet it isnt. Well you did call it junk, are there levels below that? All we see is the headline in the quote. It was your useful shot that revealed where the clips are to get in though so thank you for those pictures as they are very useful. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Well you did call it junk, are there levels below that? All we see is the headline in the quote. Words can be harsh and not always interpreted as intended. I was panned for saying the Bachmann 90 was boring. To me it is, a boring model of a boring prototype. I never said it was a bad model, in fact quite the opposite. I think small deficiencies in the APT have frustrated many of us. I am still looking forward to have my full 14 car set and fixing those issues. Roy 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Roy Langridge said: To me it is, a boring model of a boring prototype And I actually think in terms of the shape, the APT must be about top of the list in boring shapes. The class 90 is an interesting shape in comparison IMO. I do think it does make it difficult to make a model of though in this respect as every minor detail is picked on as they are so easy to pick out. A steam loco with pipes galore looks detailed even if the detail isn't right. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkersson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 hours ago, Erixtar1992 said: Except it wasnt, was it? I didnt say it was the worst model created. For the price however, im dissapointed with it. It should be top tier stuff for that money, yet it isnt. Well send it back then, no one is forcing you to keep it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 28 minutes ago, Monkersson said: Well send it back then, no one is forcing you to keep it And no-one can insist that @Erixtar1992 has to share the same opinion as others - it's one opinion, others may disagree, but it's still an opinion. From what I have seen and I am not in the market for one, there are capacitors visible in the carriages, makes it look like a last minute change rather than something planned as people would not expect it on a premium model. Then there is the light bleed that some people are seeing, and Hornby have recent history here with the DVT, it shouldn't happen, wouldn't have been an issue if lighting had not been fitted but fitted as an afterthought rather than in the original design. 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkersson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, woodenhead said: And no-one can insist that @Erixtar1992 has to share the same opinion as others - it's one opinion, others may disagree, but it's still an opinion. Indeed he doesn't, the same he doesn't need to take to twitter to tell everyone that he's spent x-amount on overpriced junk. Too many people just want to moan about the latest models, justified or not. For the record Im not in the market for one, but if I was, I'd pay what is being asked and fix the problems myself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, woodenhead said: And no-one can insist that @Erixtar1992 has to share the same opinion as others - it's one opinion, others may disagree, but it's still an opinion. Extremists of all persuasions please take note 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Monkersson said: Indeed he doesn't, the same he doesn't need to take to twitter to tell everyone that he's spent x-amount on overpriced junk. Too many people just want to moan about the latest models, justified or not. For the record Im not in the market for one, but if I was, I'd pay what is being asked and fix the problems myself Why can't he post on Twitter? It's an opinion, I am sure others disagree with the opinion, but it is his right to have an opinion and post about it. If I was buying one I'd be a bit miffed about the capacitor being in a window. If Bachmann turned out the 47 now and said only one cab is detailed because they wanted to put a speaker in the other end, we'd be up in arms I am sure. (Woodenhead is currently considering this on a Farish 37 by the way..) 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erixtar1992 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Monkersson said: Indeed he doesn't, the same he doesn't need to take to twitter to tell everyone that he's spent x-amount on overpriced junk. Too many people just want to moan about the latest models, justified or not. For the record Im not in the market for one, but if I was, I'd pay what is being asked and fix the problems myself I do find it quite a giggle that people like yourself get so butthurt about my opinion, which im more than free to post on my own twitter account. Also, i didnt say id bought it either did i. After seeing it in person i decided otherwise, and after posting the photos of it, it seems so have a few others! Not that i need to really explain myself to a stranger on the internet 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkersson Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Erixtar1992 said: I do find it quite a giggle that people like yourself get so butthurt about my opinion, which im more than free to post on my own twitter account. Also, i didnt say id bought it either did i. After seeing it in person i decided otherwise, and after posting the photos of it, it seems so have a few others! Not that i need to really explain myself to a stranger on the internet time for me to leave this forum, too many people getting stress over toys 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, TomScrut said: Thinking about it, this train would have been absolutely ideal for having an interconnecting wire all the way through from each DT given the shared bogies. If each bogie has a 2 pin plug on it to tie the other carriage into it then all the pickups could be working together. It probably wouldn't cost more than a few pence a coach to implement since the wiring and pickups are already there, it is just 2 plugs and a bit of wire. They even have that in the 142 coupling, which itself was an upgraded version of the original APT coupling. Edited October 22, 2021 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Monkersson said: time for me to leave this forum, too many people getting stress over toys I think you're overthinking this, no need to feel you have to leave the forum 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, adb968008 said: They even have that in the 142 coupling, which itself was an upgraded version of the original APT coupling. My original 14 car set built from old sets uses the Pacer coupling between the two power cars to improve pick up. Andi Edited October 22, 2021 by Dagworth 6 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, woodenhead said: I think you're overthinking this, no need to feel you have to leave the forum He has history for not liking people having an opinion. He had a good rant about adults liking McDonald’s once when it was pointed out you can ask not to have sauce etc. Roy 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said: you can ask not to have sauce etc. Roy You know, I didn’t know that. Isn’t RMWeb a wonderful place. Cheers Darius 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 @Dagworth all you've shown here is that there were perfectly good older models that with a bit of spit and polish look the part when operating on a nice big layout. And who'd have a Big Mac without Big Mac sauce? 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 42 minutes ago, Erixtar1992 said: I do find it quite a giggle that people like yourself get so butthurt about my opinion, which im more than free to post on my own twitter account. Also, i didnt say id bought it either did i. After seeing it in person i decided otherwise, and after posting the photos of it, it seems so have a few others! Not that i need to really explain myself to a stranger on the internet Oh Eric, you and your upsetting the internet japes! 56 minutes ago, Monkersson said: Indeed he doesn't, the same he doesn't need to take to twitter to tell everyone that he's spent x-amount on overpriced junk. Too many people just want to moan about the latest models, justified or not. For the record Im not in the market for one, but if I was, I'd pay what is being asked and fix the problems myself pictures posted in this thread way before Eric’s tweet highlighted the capacitor issue and light bleed and others took to RMWeb to tell everyone, why is that no different to Twitter? agreed though it does seem like some people find joy in finding the slightest issue with the latest models, ok some models do have problems that need addressing but it’s when it gets down to the ‘it never carried that particular livery with those axle boxes’ argument for not buying a loco it gets silly! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 I’m still waiting for a nice illustrated post on how to open up the coaches without damaging them. Too timid to be the first to try. Cheers Darius 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erixtar1992 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, Darius43 said: I’m still waiting for a nice illustrated post on how to open up the coaches without damaging them. Too timid to be the first to try. Cheers Darius Take the 4 screws out, Then there are also clips along the bodysides. they require the body to be pulled away quite a bit before they release though. 6 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Thanks. Looking at the photo, does that mean the capacitor will have to soldered off the pcb wires added to allow it to be concealed in the toilet area? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 That is a different light bar to the one illustrated by @adb968008 On that one there seems to be no bridge rectifier but there is a zener diode. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 22, 2021 21 hours ago, Ruffnut Thorston said: When I filmed the APT-P at Chester Cathedral, the second coaches lights flashed, and went out as it came past, then flashed on and off, and this can be seen in my video on YouTube… As one of the operators at MK, that was due to the sheer amount of dirt on wheels following its 3 months of consistent running at Chester and a slight variation in opinion on the need to clean wheels... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Reading this thread reminds me why DJ Models had an audience. Perfect models at lower prices and as they never turned up no-one could ever be disappointed with the product 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium E100 Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Erixtar1992 said: Take the 4 screws out, Then there are also clips along the bodysides. they require the body to be pulled away quite a bit before they release though. To me the obvious place would be to remove one of the toilet screw mounts and leave it with just 3. With the clips I'd assume it'd be ok. I'm honestly not sure I can be bothered. It looks good from the outside with the exception of the pantograph that I would happily paint myself. The open corridor ends creates a nice simple opportunity to wire the train throughout if desired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 22, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) On 22/10/2021 at 13:59, Wolf27 said: Yours must be faulty then. If you believe what some people are saying it’s the worst model ever created. However, they are wrong. You work for Hornby and I claim my £10. Hi Shane Edited October 23, 2021 by newbryford 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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