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59 minutes ago, WestRail642fan said:

the only other thing i want with this model is the nose to be removible for loco dragging, but i'd trade that for directional lighting


It's quite obvious that it's a separate part. But no one knows if it's removable. Judging by the Hornby Class 395 Javelin and Class 800 IEP, I think the APT-P might just have the same feature.

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Hornby seem to have a policy now of destroying their retail network. The retailers are not getting what they ordered forcing modellers to order direct from Hornby.

 

That is simply not proper behaviour from a manufactiurer (or wholesaler).

 

It will come back to haunt them. More profit in the short term but zero profit in the long term.

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16 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

Hornby seem to have a policy now of destroying their retail network. The retailers are not getting what they ordered forcing modellers to order direct from Hornby.

 

That is simply not proper behaviour from a manufactiurer (or wholesaler).

 

It will come back to haunt them. More profit in the short term but zero profit in the long term.


I guess it will continue until we take a stand and refuse to order direct when our pre-orders are cancelled. 
 

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For me there is a third option, order the APT-E from Rapido instead.... 

 

It will satisfy my desire for a pointy shaped thing, cost less money and will definitely be delivered, and to a known quality standard. Fits my era and current layout slightly better too if I'm honest. Order book closes on 1 July. 

 

If my pre-order with TMC falls before then, I will be giving it some serious thought.

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7 minutes ago, stovepipe said:

For me there is a third option, order the APT-E from Rapido instead.... 

 

It will satisfy my desire for a pointy shaped thing, cost less money and will definitely be delivered, and to a known quality standard. Fits my era and current layout slightly better too if I'm honest. Order book closes on 1 July. 

 

If my pre-order with TMC falls before then, I will be giving it some serious thought.

Completely  different  train though !   Glad I bought the original Hornby one back when DJ first announced his 

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Pre-Order for 7 Car set cancelled by Hattons today. Went straight over to Hornby and re-ordered. Fingers crossed.

Has anyone still got an active pre-order from Hattons for this?

Jack

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2 hours ago, Joseph_Pestell said:

Hornby seem to have a policy now of destroying their retail network. The retailers are not getting what they ordered forcing modellers to order direct from Hornby.

 

That is simply not proper behaviour from a manufactiurer (or wholesaler).

 

It will come back to haunt them. More profit in the short term but zero profit in the long term.

It will come back to haunt them. More profit in the short term but zero profit in the long term.

 

Too right it will, especially with the likes of Accurascale, Rapido and Dapol producing some very nice models that people actually want.

 

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1 hour ago, Black 5 Bear said:

It will come back to haunt them. More profit in the short term but zero profit in the long term.

 

Too right it will, especially with the likes of Accurascale, Rapido and Dapol producing some very nice models that people actually want.

 

But Hornby do make models people want, which is why this is a problem.

 

APT, W1, Class 87, A2s are all popular models that people want.  It Hornby were creating [email protected] that no one wanted we wouldn’t be concerned would we

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This model is probably top of my list for years. I unfortunately lost out on the crowd funding APT being developed with Trains of Stanley. Of which I hold no malice over, I knew the risks and it was all in good faith. I have pre-ordered through a smaller retailer. So naturally I hope I get it as I desire this model the most. However I'm not going to go and order with Hornby as some have to hedge my bets (although I completely understand). As much as I want the model I ain't playing that game and standing in solidarity with the retailers. Maybe it's cutting my nose of to spite my face because me not buying one won't prevent Hornby from selling the whole lot. Neither am I going to pay extortionate re-sell prices on Ebay. If they screw my retailer over I'm out and just have to save my self the many £100s. I have got a lovely collection anyway so just take it on the chin. Plus in my experience if this model is popular Horny will one day make another run. Rapido have with their APT-E (glad I got that the first time round though).

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2 hours ago, Legend said:

Completely  different  train though !   Glad I bought the original Hornby one back when DJ first announced his 

 

Not entirely different though either, are they? I can't justify both, and in reality one or the other will satisfy me. Potentially being forced to order direct sticks in the craw, and I would rather walk away than dance to Hornby's tune. 

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9 hours ago, woodenhead said:

But Hornby do make models people want, which is why this is a problem.

 

APT, W1, Class 87, A2s are all popular models that people want.  It Hornby were creating [email protected] that no one wanted we wouldn’t be concerned would we

The only current Hornby locos I will even contemplate buying at the moment are the AS M/N's.

These seem to be very good in relation to fit/finish QC.

I currently have on order, 2 Hornby Dublo versions and 3 from the main range.

 

As for the A2/2/3s, sorry but no thanks. Too many problems, which have already been discussed on here at length.

 

Hornby do make models people want, that is of course true but for how long. 

 

 

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15 hours ago, MGR Hooper! said:


It's quite obvious that it's a separate part. But no one knows if it's removable. Judging by the Hornby Class 395 Javelin and Class 800 IEP, I think the APT-P might just have the same feature.

now, if it were to have both a removable nose and head/tail lights, they could go with contact based connections like those used on phone batteries

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It would be more appropriate to discuss pre-order issues in its own thread & it already exists.

This was supposed to be about the APT-P. Could we please get back to topic?

 

The pre-production painted samples look good.

Does anyone have an authentic layout to run them on? I have an WCML one but it is in 1930s/1940s era at the moment & because it involves some scratchbuilding, there is no chance I will have even started on the 1990s scenic boards before the APT arrives.

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6 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said:

The pre-production painted samples look good.

Does anyone have an authentic layout to run them on?

I totally agree they do look very good.

 

I'm currently creating a section of the WCML platforms at Motherwell in the winter of 1981 to go with my APT.

It's the section to the south,towards London.

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8 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said:

Does anyone have an authentic layout to run them on?

 

They regularly ran into Whatley quarry didn't they?

 

:D

 

 

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12 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said:

Does anyone have an authentic layout to run them on? I have an WCML one but it is in 1930s/1940s era at the moment & because it involves some scratchbuilding, there is no chance I will have even started on the 1990s scenic boards before the APT arrives.

 

YES!

 

 

 

Very much looking forward to getting my full length set :)

 

Andi

 

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With these cancellations has anyone who’s ordered a full set had it cancelled, or is it just people who ordered the 5/7 car base pack? I ordered within minutes of the announcement so I guess I was pretty early but I did order the whole set with add on packs so obviously I’d be pretty stuffed if they cancel the bit with the ends and powercar! So far it’s still there in my account. 

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On 04/05/2021 at 13:49, Jim76 said:

Is it not safer to order direct with Hornby?

 

On 04/05/2021 at 13:54, wrex said:

Almost certainly, but would be:

Depriving an independent of that sale.

Rewarding Hornby for squeezing supply.

Full price.

 

It depends on whether you want an APT or whether you want to show solidarity with an "independent" , and not get an APT.

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8 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said:

 

 

It depends on whether you want an APT or whether you want to show solidarity with an "independent" , and not get an APT.

Indeed, you cannot show solidarity without potentially denying yourself the model.  

 

As much as I admire many people wishing to show solidarity, when push comes to shove, how many will select to simply not buy the model, I suspect less than you'd think.  Hornby know this and it is why they can do this, people want the model more than where they purchase it, the main driver at present to go independent is the discount on RRP.

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Had mine cancelled by Hattons at the weekend which like others was placed early. They say that Hornby are not supplying all the proposed stock forcing them to cancel although the additional coaches are still live.

 

I ordered the 7pm car pack from Gaugemaster and asked them how form this is and they said that provided Hornby supply the promised allocation then its fine which does not give me any confidence. 

 

If you ask me either Hornby underestimated demand or they have scaled back to allow more sales through their own website which means higher profit as no retailer discount

 

Either way its poor service

 

 

Paul R

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On 06/05/2021 at 07:20, PaulRhB said:

With these cancellations has anyone who’s ordered a full set had it cancelled, or is it just people who ordered the 5/7 car base pack? I ordered within minutes of the announcement so I guess I was pretty early but I did order the whole set with add on packs so obviously I’d be pretty stuffed if they cancel the bit with the ends and powercar! So far it’s still there in my account. 


I had a 14 (ok 15) car set on order and another powered center car, had the 7 car set cancelled. 
 

Roy

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I had mine cancelled. I had ordered a 7 car set and all the coaches, 15 in total . I then cancelled the rest. I only want to get the whole lot as one package. 
Phoned several shops. All sold out. Most shop keepers were saying they are hoping there going to get there full alaction. Also it hurts them to have to turn down £780 order. 
The longer Hornby do not make any stament the more people will make there own mind up. 
I find it odd that this has sold out before it hits the shelf. This does the hobby no favors.
The APT has all ways polled high in the wish list. There is all the Data on the DJM version , Ebay prices were high on the old 1980s version. Given that , You would have though they would have made this one in extra large numbers. May be they did we will never know.

 

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Well after joining the cancelled club. I caved in and ordered a full set direct,  I'm not getting into the politics of Hornby policy etc,  But i really don't want to miss out on this iconic model.  so for me personally its worth paying a few extra quid to guarantee delivery....

 

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I'm really torn on it. I want one but I see all these retailers getting bashed for something that on the face of it really isn't their fault.

 

But I also want a prototype one and lottery wins to spend that much have been a bit sparse recently :(

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