RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted March 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Here's how the trailing crossover and goods shed loop could fit: You can see that the route into the loading dock (the old shed siding) has to turn through the double slip. The down siding and the new shed loop could be longer but only by sacrificing the river crossing. Edit: The abandoned back siding is in light grey. Edited March 13, 2020 by Harlequin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Michael Edge Posted March 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2020 Where's the coal siding in this idea? There has to be one in this area. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titanius Anglesmith Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 3 hours ago, Michael Edge said: Where's the coal siding in this idea? There has to be one in this area. The refuge could double as a coal siding, as it did at Tilbury Dock (which admittedly is nowhere near Yorkshire, but it was on the Midland at least) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold imt Posted March 13, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) There has to be some compromise somewhere. The siding which would have done for mileage and coal has (in the latest suggestion) been sacrificed in order to have a more Midland placement of the goods shed. SO if you want that, then unless some extra siding can be wangled in off the loop behind the good shed going either left of right (using a diamond crossover?) there ain't much space left. This is an excellent design for a small space - but in the end you cannot have everything (however much you want it. Rule 1: The Coal Merchants have agred only to use the next staion down/up the line? Edited March 13, 2020 by imt 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 I'd have coal instead of cattle pens personally, if it came down to that. Or say that just the other side of the station (Eastburn East?) there's a relatively large coal handling facility, so no need to have one right here. It probably would be possible to have everything, but at the cost of curve radius and/or train length... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2020 Coal bins/pens are, I think, an un-Midland thing, whereas for this part of the world cattle pens are de rigueur and correctly located. Ideally there would be a siding alongside the "road" side of the goods shed and with a good bit of space between it and the goods shed, for coal and other traffic that can be unloaded in the open but I appreciate this gets expensive on baseboard width. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Michael Edge said: Where's the coal siding in this idea? There has to be one in this area. 2 hours ago, imt said: There has to be some compromise somewhere. The siding which would have done for mileage and coal has (in the latest suggestion) been sacrificed in order to have a more Midland placement of the goods shed. SO if you want that, then unless some extra siding can be wangled in off the loop behind the good shed going either left of right (using a diamond crossover?) there ain't much space left. This is an excellent design for a small space - but in the end you cannot have everything (however much you want it. Rule 1: The Coal Merchants have agred only to use the next staion down/up the line? 47 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Coal bins/pens are, I think, an un-Midland thing, whereas for this part of the world cattle pens are de rigueur and correctly located. Ideally there would be a siding alongside the "road" side of the goods shed and with a good bit of space between it and the goods shed, for coal and other traffic that can be unloaded in the open but I appreciate this gets expensive on baseboard width. Goods yards in this area typically handled coal and mileage in the same siding and as was mentioned above cattle docks were present at every station. At this stage it's all just a case of playing around with it to see what can be done. Certainly no harm in trying! In regards to placements of respective facilities there really is a prototype for everything in this neck of the woods. For instance look at the plan for Kildwick and Crosshills which is a mile and quarter away from the location of the actual Eastburn village. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 The other two stations which existed between Keighley and Skipton are Steeton and Silsden (a mile and quarter in the opposite direction towards Keighley from the actual Eastburn village). Connonley is the last Station before Skipton and once again has a completely different design of goods yard and station area. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2020 Just nicely demonstrating that typical is not mandatory! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted March 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Aire Head said: For instance look at the plan for Kildwick and Crosshills which is a mile and quarter away from the location of the actual Eastburn village. Remarkably similar to your earlier plan and could be even more so with a few tweaks. Indeed a large goods shed bottom right and a long mileage road next to the down siding would probably work quite well. You might even fit in the exchange siding for the gasworks on the up side... (*coff* 48DS *coff*). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Flying Pig said: Remarkably similar to your earlier plan and could be even more so with a few tweaks. Indeed a large goods shed bottom right and a long mileage road next to the down siding would probably work quite well. You might even fit in the exchange siding for the gasworks on the up side... (*coff* 48DS *coff*). I do like a good Ruston... Edited March 13, 2020 by Aire Head Damn autocorrect Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted March 13, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2020 17 minutes ago, Aire Head said: Damn autocorrect I shudder to think what you originally posted... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Flying Pig said: I shudder to think what you originally posted... No need to panic, it decided I preferred a London station 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Aire Head said: No need to panic, it decided I preferred a London station The forces of the dark side are at work. Resist them while you can. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Compound2632 said: The forces of the dark side are at work. Resist them while you can. The thought of such a place makes me feel dirty Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Moore Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Nice to see someone modelling my local line. I can see it from my house. The station buildings are very interesting & some of them still stand although in private ownership. There are certainly some interesting locations here on the Midland. A good book is the one by Jan Rapacz & Alan Whittaker Bradford railways in colour volume 1 midland lines. Itll hive you inspiration for freight & passenger we used to have here in this corner of west yorkshire 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCB Posted April 6, 2020 Share Posted April 6, 2020 (edited) London terminus in 8ft X 8ft 9". Were you thinking T gauge? Edited April 6, 2020 by DavidCBroad 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share Posted April 8, 2020 On 27/03/2020 at 22:26, Rhb Simon said: Nice to see someone modelling my local line. I can see it from my house. The station buildings are very interesting & some of them still stand although in private ownership. There are certainly some interesting locations here on the Midland. A good book is the one by Jan Rapacz & Alan Whittaker Bradford railways in colour volume 1 midland lines. Itll hive you inspiration for freight & passenger we used to have here in this corner of west yorkshire I shall have to look out for that! I have very rarely seen it modelled and I suspect that's due to the S&C which is only a short distance away meaning it always seems like a poor cousin. Personally I find it fascinating because I like the mundane! On 06/04/2020 at 19:29, DavidCBroad said: London terminus in 8ft X 8ft 9". Were you thinking T gauge? I've always said I was ambitious! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share Posted April 8, 2020 As an update this project is still very much on the go but has had to take a backseat due to the current climate. The upspin is that in busier than ever, getting lots of work in and therefore extra money which can only help towards the construction 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted May 11, 2020 Author Share Posted May 11, 2020 Its back! So with work having stabilised somewhat I have been able to return back to planning. Sadly due to computer issue all of my previously saved plans have gone the way of the Dodo so I have had to start from scratch. This hasn't proved to be too much of a major drama as I have been able to go back and approach the plan with a fresh eye. I have attached the revised plan as stands, I have been able to increase the fiddle yard to 5 roads, I can increase the lengths of the loops by adding headshunts as was done on previous plans and potentially make some of them bi-directional to increase the play value. The goods news is at least 2 of the roads are longer than 4' and the remainder can be made up to be longer than 3' giving me sufficient storage space for my desired length of rakes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted May 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 12, 2020 12 hours ago, Aire Head said: I have attached the revised plan as stands I see you have used the SL-99 three-throw in the goods yard which AFAIK is available in code 100 only. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted May 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 12, 2020 9 minutes ago, Flying Pig said: I see you have used the SL-99 three-throw in the goods yard which AFAIK is available in code 100 only. I don't think that Aire Head has said whether he is using Code 75 or Code 100. You are right that the symmetrical 3-way point, as shown on the plan above, is Code 100. I don't think that it will make much difference if he uses the asymmetrical 3-way point from the Code 75 range. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted May 12, 2020 Author Share Posted May 12, 2020 I have gone for code 100 at the moment as this will be the first track I've laid in over 10 years, some of my stock is older models and the majority of my goods stock is kitbuilt and I'm not sure I'm confident enough in my abilities that it will run smoothly on code 75. It's still up for debate however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted May 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 12, 2020 1 hour ago, Aire Head said: I have gone for code 100 at the moment as this will be the first track I've laid in over 10 years, some of my stock is older models and the majority of my goods stock is kitbuilt and I'm not sure I'm confident enough in my abilities that it will run smoothly on code 75. It's still up for debate however. The kitbuilt stock will have finer wheels. They will run much better on the Code 75. The issue then is how easily you can convert the older stuff if necessary. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted May 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 12, 2020 Back to the plan, I don't understand why you are still not starting the outer fiddleyard with a right hand point further left (end of the curve from the viaduct). That has two advantages: greater length for the sidings and no reverse curve. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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