atom3624 Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Agreed with the observation on the Heritage Railways, but ... how many of us are likely to be running these backwards? Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 However, they could be piloted: https://www.flickr.com/photos/aglr/16268247820 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad McCann Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 You are, of course correct Pete but for all the regularity of this you’re as well using a screw coupling or similar to tie the pilot on in model form. Most decent models come equipped with a tender drawhook these days anyway. Davy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 The new Hornby Princess has a front NEM - they didn't operate tender first either but they've got the socket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pH Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, woodenhead said: The new Hornby Princess has a front NEM - they didn't operate tender first either but they've got the socket. Very seldom, but not never. There's a picture of one on a work train at Stafford, turned out for the duty by the shedmaster at Crewe North. It wasn't turned, and so worked back to Crewe tender-first. (I'll see if I can find the picture and provide details.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 5 hours ago, woodenhead said: The new Hornby Princess has a front NEM - they didn't operate tender first either but they've got the socket. And so they should, as LMS/LMR practise was to doublehead very regularly. Even the 8Ps. LNER/ER, no doubleheading as policy. If a pacific was doubleheaded, then the train engine had probably failed and it had not been conveniently possible to detach it. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 On 03/02/2020 at 14:08, MikeParkin65 said: I appreciate this is an early CAD but it will be a first for any mainstream manufacturer if they make a front bogie without the ugly from NEM coupling box. Hope this stays on the production versions (does anyone use the front coupling on their top flight express locos? Hi The answer is no and I totally agree with you it does look ugly and spoils the look of the loco. I remove the coupling then fabricate a AWBS bang plate out of card or thin plastic and glue to the underside of the buffer beam this covers the coupling box. Regards David 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted March 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 22, 2020 No one knows yet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted March 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2020 Looking forward to seeing the W1 progress 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie K Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Lots of W1 updates in this month's Hornby Engine Shed blog, but the A2 samples have understandably slipped back a month. https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/news/the-engine-shed/east-coast-line-bumper-edition Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 On 21/03/2020 at 21:35, 313201 said: I look forward to seeing the new A2/3 locos. Does anybody know if they will have a heavier weight than other LNER locos Hornby have produced in order to enable long trains to be hauled. Credit where due, the trend has been good since the introduction of the A3 and A4 at circa 300g/11 oz., loco only. Hornby significantly advanced the weight with their next pacific, the Britannia, and that has appropriate traction as a result. Now, while I don't have either of the P2 or Pepp A1 from Hornby, the smaller LNER types since then have all been satisfactorily weighted: and I would particularly direct attention to the D16/3 - both heavy enough and well balanced to supply adequate traction without rubber tyres from the 'difficult' 4-4-0 format - and their most recent LNER model the B12/3 4-6-0 which at the same 300g loco weight as the A3 and A4 is the best model 4-6-0 for traction I have ever had, and just right for the 14 coach sets this class worked over the Pennines on the Harwich-Manchester boat trains. Which suggests to me that someone at Hornby knows what they are about in this department. (There's loads of space inside pacifics whatever; mine will probably weigh 500g+ by the time I have finished fiddling around with them, to deliver the full on tractive mightiness.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 7 hours ago, OliverBytham said: Lots of W1 updates in this month's Hornby Engine Shed blog, but the A2 samples have understandably slipped back a month. https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/news/the-engine-shed/east-coast-line-bumper-edition More time to save... 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted June 2, 2020 Share Posted June 2, 2020 On 02/02/2020 at 13:25, IMS said: Really looking forward to these models. I think the A2/2s were among the most handsome locos ever built, Should've gone to... Barnard Castle 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blythtyneboi Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Were any of the A2/2s seen North of Newcastle in BR days? I've got Thane of Fife on order anyway as I can always invoke rule 1 (it's my train set, I'll run what I like) but a genuine excuse would be better;) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Blythtyneboi said: Were any of the A2/2s seen North of Newcastle in BR days? I've got Thane of Fife on order anyway as I can always invoke rule 1 (it's my train set, I'll run what I like) but a genuine excuse would be better;) Hi yes I have seen photos of the class at Haymarket in the mid and late 1950’s. I am modelling Haymarket 64B around 1958, and like you I want to show genuine locos that were actually seen at the depot. So your fully justified to have an A2/2 on your layout as long as it represents somewhere on the ECML David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Hi, can anyone confirm if the Hornby R3830 model of 60501 is suitable to be renumbered as 60502 or 60506, just want to confirm that the boiler Is compatible as a bit confused between 117 and 118 boiler types. Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramshed Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Fredo said: Hi, can anyone confirm if the Hornby R3830 model of 60501 is suitable to be renumbered as 60502 or 60506, just want to confirm that the boiler Is compatible as a bit confused between 117 and 118 boiler types. Thanks Fred Diagram 118 boilers fitted to the class as follows: 60501 10/1952 60502 3/1951 60505 3/1952 until 9/1957 (dia 117 fitted) 60506 6/1952 60503 and 60504 retained their 106A boilers throughout Information ex-RCTS 'Green books' vol 2A. Hope this helps. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Fredo said: Hi, can anyone confirm if the Hornby R3830 model of 60501 is suitable to be renumbered as 60502 or 60506, just want to confirm that the boiler Is compatible as a bit confused between 117 and 118 boiler types. Thanks Fred Hi Fred, 60501 and 60502 are very similar,; boiler, cabs and tender. But there are small detail changes. e'g. A deliberate kink in the steam pipe. I think there's also small changes on the running plate. Not massive differences. Consulting pictures would be your best bet. Edited June 10, 2020 by davidw clarification Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramshed Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 24 minutes ago, Tramshed said: Diagram 118 boilers fitted to the class as follows: 60501 10/1952 60502 3/1951 60505 3/1952 until 9/1957 (dia 117 fitted) 60506 6/1952 60503 and 60504 retained their 106A boilers throughout Information ex-RCTS 'Green books' vol 2A. Hope this helps. Fred You had me digging a bit further. The class acquired cast chimneys from April 1951 (60504) and four others between 1954 and 1958. 60506 was never so fitted. The above painting diagrams suggest 60501 is to be supplied with plain chimney so may be suitable for 60506. Just another thing to watch out for. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Tramshed said: Fred You had me digging a bit further. The class acquired cast chimneys from April 1951 (60504) and four others between 1954 and 1958. 60506 was never so fitted. The above painting diagrams suggest 60501 is to be supplied with plain chimney so may be suitable for 60506. Just another thing to watch out for. Apologies - I forgot the chimney mods. But the tenders and cabs between 60501 and 60506 are different. On 60501 and 60502 the cabs have a turn in at the rear, and the tenders have a beading at the top. 60505/6 the cab have no turn-in and a streamlined highsided tender. The A2/2 is a minefield of options Edited June 10, 2020 by davidw 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) For release dates, RoS state this for the W1: Expected: Winter 2020-2021 For the A2/2: 2020 Range. Release date not indicated. TBH I always anticipated these during Christmas / New Year 2020 / 2021. Al. Edited June 28, 2020 by atom3624 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) PLEASE REMOVE - duplicated post. Edited June 11, 2020 by atom3624 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 60027Merlin Posted June 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 11, 2020 On 09/06/2020 at 23:00, Blythtyneboi said: Were any of the A2/2s seen North of Newcastle in BR days? I've got Thane of Fife on order anyway as I can always invoke rule 1 (it's my train set, I'll run what I like) but a genuine excuse would be better;) The 6 of them were transferred south in 1949. 60501 - 60503 went to York and 60504 - 60506 to New England. The York based three were very rare visitors to Edinburgh whilst it was highly unlikely that the other three got past Newcastle. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
landscapes Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 2 hours ago, 60027Merlin said: The 6 of them were transferred south in 1949. 60501 - 60503 went to York and 60504 - 60506 to New England. The York based three were very rare visitors to Edinburgh whilst it was highly unlikely that the other three got past Newcastle. Hi Eric I have been pondering over the new Hornby A2/2's since they were first announced, I have finally bit the bullet and placed an order for 60501. I have recently seen a photo of it on a freight passing Portobello sidings in the mid 1950's. Although its Era 4 and I am modelling Era 5 I am hoping a change of tender totem and fitting an AWS bang plate if one is missing from the model will hopefully be enough. Thompson Pacific's really are a bit of a mine field. Regards David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramshed Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 On 10/06/2020 at 12:40, davidw said: Apologies - I forgot the chimney mods. But the tenders and cabs between 60501 and 60506 are different. On 60501 and 60502 the cabs have a turn in at the rear, and the tenders have a beading at the top. 60505/6 the cab have no turn-in and a streamlined highsided tender. The A2/2 is a minefield of options At the risk of planting another mine in this already overpopulated field, the tenders of 60501 and 60502 were not identical either. Both engines kept their original tenders from building as P2s to scrapping as A2/2s. 60501 had spoked wheels while 60502 had discs (this also affected those attempting a conversion of the Hornby P2 from 2001 to 2002). The CAD earlier in this thread appears to show that Hornby have gone for discs so may be correct for 60502. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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