Jump to content

Hornby A2/2 and A2/3 (2020 Range)


Guest

Recommended Posts

This may have been covered already but I am wondering if my models are missing some sand pipes or perhaps Hornby never got round to fitting them.  The two A2/2 models have two sand boxes per side and two sets of metal sandpipes attached to the bottom plate.  The two A2/3s have three sand boxes per side and the box picture shows three sets of sand pipes.  However both my A2/3 models only have two sets of metal pipes.  The same bottom plate is used for both the A2/2 and A2/3 models with fixing positions for three sets of sand pipes.  None of my models, A2/2 or A2/3 have the third set of metal sand pipes.  I emailed Hornby to ask if my model had a part missing and I was belatedly redirected to a 'technical' email address.  I have still to receive a reply.  Should my A2/3 models have a a third set of sand pipes?  Has anybody out there received a model with three sets of sandpipes?

 

51093791919_62c0d87aeb_5k.jpg

Three sand Boxes

 

51093807167_60a63593fe_5k.jpg

Spot the space for the missing sand pipes at the left

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Silver Sidelines said:

This may have been covered already but I am wondering if my models are missing some sand pipes or perhaps Hornby never got round to fitting them.  The two A2/2 models have two sand boxes per side and two sets of metal sandpipes attached to the bottom plate.  The two A2/3s have three sand boxes per side and the box picture shows three sets of sand pipes.  However both my A2/3 models only have two sets of metal pipes.  The same bottom plate is used for both the A2/2 and A2/3 models with fixing positions for three sets of sand pipes.  None of my models, A2/2 or A2/3 have the third set of metal sand pipes.  I emailed Hornby to ask if my model had a part missing and I was belatedly redirected to a 'technical' email address.  I have still to receive a reply.  Should my A2/3 models have a a third set of sand pipes?  Has anybody out there received a model with three sets of sandpipes?

 

51093791919_62c0d87aeb_5k.jpg

Three sand Boxes

 

51093807167_60a63593fe_5k.jpg

Spot the space for the missing sand pipes at the left

 

I hadn't looked before, but both my A2/2 and A2/3 are the same as yours - both have sand pipes ahead of the leading and middle driving wheels.   This is correct for the A2/2 which had no sanders for reverse running, but in reality the A2/3 also had sanders to the rear of the middle driving wheels for reverse running.  As you say, the fillers for these additional sand boxes are modelled above the running plate and there is a mounting on the keeper plate for the pipes but they are not present on my model.

 

I may see about making pipes from wire, copying the others; as the moulding for mounting them is there this ought to be possible, but to be honest if you hadn't mentioned it I don't think I'd've noticed!

 

 

  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Silver Sidelines said:

This may have been covered already but I am wondering if my models are missing some sand pipes or perhaps Hornby never got round to fitting them. 

 

 

Well spotted. Same here on my A2/2 and A2/3 and as you say it is shown on the box cover. Will be interested to see if Hornby technical get back to you. Perhaps they will send them out?!

  • Agree 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I note the speedo cable disconnected in the photos above, but also the valvegear rotation / location / alignment appears incorrect on the centre driver, unless it's just me?

 

Al.

Edited by atom3624
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
2 minutes ago, atom3624 said:

I note the speedo cable disconnected in the photos above, but also the valvegear rotation / location / alignment appears incorrect, unless it's just me?

 

Al.

Yes the picture was taken when I had the body shell removed from the chassis - hence the disconnected speedo.  Not sure what you mean about valve gear and alignment - I have been told that the reversing lever is not 'bent' correctly.  Is that what you mean?

 

Cheers Ray

Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Silver Sidelines said:

Yes the picture was taken when I had the body shell removed from the chassis - hence the disconnected speedo.  Not sure what you mean about valve gear and alignment - I have been told that the reversing lever is not 'bent' correctly.  Is that what you mean?

 

Cheers Ray

Hi Chris, but no.

 

I meant the actual valvegear screwed onto the centre driver.

 

It's a matter of perspective - always slightly off-centre to permit movement - I think it's just me and it's OK.

 

Al.

Link to post
Share on other sites

This is my 60501 before I straightened the reversing rod etch, 

and then the after shot.
The lever straightened fairly easily without buckling. I held the straight part on the top and bottom  with wide nose pliers and pushed up the front with my thumb.

It is then reattached with white glue. Looking at the second photo I haven’t tweaked it enough.

 

72BFD682-C1C6-405C-AA6A-711820311E74.jpeg

D2DFEAEE-2131-4D51-AEA9-B60C67A4DC1A.jpeg

Edited by Dominion
  • Like 5
Link to post
Share on other sites

Sorry Graeme I introduced the ski jump into the equation albeit as stated I have seen previous comments. I have added 60501 to my roster a superb model soon to be joined by one of the A2/3 s ...and a KR models GT3...and Fell ....sorry went off piste again

  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

For those with time on their hands for a longer read I have collected together some of my Posts on this thread and posted them on my Blog,  There is also a link to a video showing all four BR Hornby A2s in action on my layout.

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blogs/entry/24876-Hornby’s-new-a22-and-a23/

 

Cheers Ray

Edited by Silver Sidelines
  • Like 3
  • Thanks 3
Link to post
Share on other sites

Great film made at minus 1 year old me.

A2/3 Edward Thompson at 10mins 25sec. Close up detail - be careful not to make too many comparisons with the model!

 

Enjoy

  • Like 9
Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, Silver Sidelines said:

For those with time on their hands for a longer read I have collected together some of my Posts on this thread and posted them on my Blog,  There is also a link to a video showing all four BR Hornby A2s in action on my layout.

 

https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blogs/entry/24876-Hornby’s-new-a22-and-a23/

 

Cheers Ray

That's very good, Ray. Your pics show the very good details on the models as well as potential problems to look out for and how to fix them, so very useful!  Well worth a look. Good video as well, I'm just off to run CoN now.

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I had to deal with a second droopy tender buffer beam. I am happier with the result on this one.

It came off with a  little leverage applied along it from behind. I used a triangle file along the rebate in the underside of the chassis molding, and also elongated the holes downwards like Ray showed above, just twisting a drill bit in my fingers.  On the buffer beam I removed a little material from the top back edge. The back of that painted edge is not visible once reassembled. I then reattached, with solvent this time and held it straight for a while.

Here is the before and after.

IMG_0780.jpg

IMG_0795.jpg

Edited by Dominion
  • Like 8
Link to post
Share on other sites

Interestingly enough, Hattons is selling some faulty A2's as preowned for £ 150.
This should be a reference if you received a faulty model from your retailer and ask for a discount instead of sending it back.

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, zr2498 said:

Great film made at minus 1 year old me.

A2/3 Edward Thompson at 10mins

 

Agree, a great film. I'm sure you Know that the BTC made a whole series of 15-20 minute films in the 1950/60/70s, indeed in the 1980's too about our "wonderful railway". All available from the BFI (British Film Institute). I have most of them, they are also, of course, unwitting social history of the times, which is my interest as well as the railway aspect.

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

 

 

  • Like 1
  • Agree 8
  • Informative/Useful 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

I have been following this topic with interest as I waited for my Locos to make their way through the tortuous Spanish Postal System (Post Brexit)

 The first arrived yesterday and what a difference in colour, the green is like no other loco on the layout.

 

IMG_3859.JPG.2e247e128643d7ca46d94ff92945b809.JPG

 

Here is Sun Castle next to my renamed and weathered Velocity, it is going to take quite a bit of work to get it to a similar condition.

 

The small piece on the card was loose in the bottom of the packaging can someone tell me where it fits on the Loco.

  • Like 4
  • Craftsmanship/clever 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Just corrected the angle on my front steps on my 60501, as stated they appear to have been added as detail item, no great problem to rectify. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
19 hours ago, Dominion said:

. I used a triangle file along the rebate in the underside of the chassis molding,

 

Thank you, good idea Dominion., I have now fettled two more tenders (and sorted the reversing lever on Sun Castle). I have added a Postscript to my Blog Post.

 

51096850639_08dfd70b25_5k.jpg

 

Cheers Ray

 

Edited by Silver Sidelines
  • Like 3
Link to post
Share on other sites
18 hours ago, Silver Sidelines said:

Beneath the cab perhaps?

 

51096900007_e52626ee2b_5k.jpg

 

Good luck Ray

Thanks for that, it's now been refitted, the little plastic lugs were broken off but a spot of superglue solved it

  • Like 1
  • Thanks 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
On 01/04/2021 at 13:58, Tim said:

Slightly late to the party here, but for those who haven't seen my posting over on the Peterborough North thread, the three images below may be of interest.

 

20210330_201851.jpg.ada35ca1b80698c439caf4a3e8c12686.jpg

 

20210330_201924.jpg.73216c6a4ceb9c79964995432e627b21.jpg

 

20210330_211943.jpg.2e7d0e19fb2090d97f48eeae3f1ce6a3.jpg

 

This is 60501, portrayed in the condition it would have been in immediately pre overhaul in October 1958.  Changes to the model as it came from the box have been moving the numberplate to the upper door strap, moving the nameplates upwards a bit (affixing etched ones from 247 Developments on top) and replacing both the chimney and sandbox fillers with those produced by Graeme King.  The rest is unchanged, including the cabside numbers.  

 

In order to hide the insipid green, a rather grubbier condition has been arrived at than i would have liked to have given it, but that subject has been covered enough in this thread already.  It almost came to pass that a full repaint was on the cards, but the solution shown above was rather more preferred!

 

As for the base model itself, I am very impressed with the overall design of it and especially way the writing in the locomotive is tidied away, negating anything coming adrift.  The motion is also nicely chunky, unlike previous Hornby models where it's so thin that one almost wonders how it doesn't bend whilst in motion!  Hopefully the next batches won't suffer from livery issues, but I suppose we shall see what happens!

 

Cheers,

You've got it just right ,Tim . In July 1958 , my family & I ( aged six!) travelled from York to Newcastle behind no . 60501 looking very much like this . My  dad used to note engines we were hauled by in his diary , plus a comment on the journey ; next to 60501 he wrote " good run arrived a few minutes early ".

  York was always short of cleaners , so even the pacifics were generally filthy .

                                                            Cheers ,

                                                                  Ray .

  • Like 5
  • Thanks 1
  • Craftsmanship/clever 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

It's a superb weathering job - well done.

 

I just wonder, despite the filth and grime, wouldn't the windows be wiped at least 'here and there'?

 

Al.

  • Agree 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • RMweb Gold
11 hours ago, atom3624 said:

It's a superb weathering job - well done.

 

I just wonder, despite the filth and grime, wouldn't the windows be wiped at least 'here and there'?

 

Al.

On the video link earlier up the thread the driver can indeed be seen giving the already apparently very clean window a wipe whilst awaiting the signal. Whether that is just ‘for the cameras’ we don’t know. 

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

Good Afternoon.

Has anybody had/found news of the LNER liveried A2/3s?

I have an 'Edward Thompson' on order and have not received any updates.

 

Could they be :-

Stuck in the Great Bitter Lake?

Delayed in arrival in European ports by the congestion around the Suez Canal

Diverted around Cape Agulhas?

 

(Also posted on another thread on this subject)

  • Friendly/supportive 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 hours ago, resin001 said:

Hornby took payment from my card yesterday for LNER , Thompson Class A2/3, 4-6-2, 514 'Chamossaire' - Era 3 , so hopefully on its way to me ASAP

 

 

 

Oh dear another blow to the wallet.  There is a rumour that Simon Kohler wanted to 'do' the Thompson A2/2 and A2/3 locos partly because of their names. 

 

How can you refuse a name like 'Chamossaire'?

 

There is a photo about of the engine in BR days in immaculate order, and I look forward to seeing how the LNER Apple green will look,  then, to weather or not to weather, given that these engines did some of their best work in the 1940s and in surviving photos were not usually clean ... 

  • Like 4
Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

We have placed cookies on your device to help make this website better. You can adjust your cookie settings, otherwise we'll assume you're okay to continue.