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Agreed with the observation on the Heritage Railways, but ... how many of us are likely to be running these backwards?

 

Al.

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You are, of course correct Pete but for all the regularity of this you’re as well using a screw coupling or similar to tie the pilot on in model form.

Most decent models come equipped with a tender drawhook these days anyway.

 

Davy.

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The new Hornby Princess has a front NEM - they didn't operate tender first either but they've got the socket.

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10 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

The new Hornby Princess has a front NEM - they didn't operate tender first either but they've got the socket.

 

Very seldom, but not never. There's a picture of one on a work train at Stafford, turned out for the duty by the shedmaster at Crewe North. It wasn't turned, and so worked back to Crewe tender-first. (I'll see if I can find the picture and provide details.)

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5 hours ago, woodenhead said:

The new Hornby Princess has a front NEM - they didn't operate tender first either but they've got the socket.

And so they should, as LMS/LMR practise was to doublehead very regularly. Even the 8Ps.

LNER/ER, no doubleheading as policy. If a pacific was doubleheaded, then the train engine had probably failed and it had not been conveniently possible to detach it.

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On 03/02/2020 at 14:08, MikeParkin65 said:

I appreciate this is an early CAD but it will be a first for any mainstream manufacturer if they make a front bogie without the ugly from NEM coupling box. Hope this stays on the production versions (does anyone use the front coupling on their top flight express locos? :)

Hi 

 

The answer is no and I totally agree with you it does look ugly and spoils the look of the loco.

 

I remove the coupling then fabricate a AWBS bang plate out of card or thin plastic and glue to the underside of the buffer beam this covers the coupling box.

 

Regards

 

David

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I look forward to seeing the new A2/3 locos.  Does anybody know if they will have a heavier weight than other LNER locos Hornby have produced in order to enable long trains to be hauled.

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Looking forward to seeing the W1 progress

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On ‎21‎/‎03‎/‎2020 at 21:35, 313201 said:

I look forward to seeing the new A2/3 locos.  Does anybody know if they will have a heavier weight than other LNER locos Hornby have produced in order to enable long trains to be hauled.

Credit where due, the trend has been good since the introduction of the A3 and A4 at circa 300g/11 oz., loco only. Hornby significantly advanced the weight with their next pacific, the Britannia, and that has appropriate traction as a result. Now, while I don't have either of the P2 or Pepp A1 from Hornby, the smaller LNER types since then have all been satisfactorily weighted:  and I would particularly direct attention to the D16/3 - both heavy enough and well balanced to supply adequate traction without rubber tyres from the 'difficult' 4-4-0 format - and their most recent LNER model the B12/3 4-6-0 which at the same 300g loco weight as the A3 and A4 is the best model 4-6-0 for traction I have ever had, and just right for the 14 coach sets this class worked over the Pennines on the Harwich-Manchester boat trains.

 

Which suggests to me that someone at Hornby knows what they are about in this department. (There's loads of space inside pacifics whatever; mine will probably weigh 500g+ by the time I have finished fiddling around with them, to deliver the full on tractive mightiness.)

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On 02/02/2020 at 13:25, IMS said:

Really looking forward to these models. I think the A2/2s were among the most handsome locos ever built,

 

Should've gone to...

 

Barnard Castle     ;)

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Were any of the A2/2s seen North of Newcastle in BR days? I've got Thane of Fife on order anyway as I can always invoke rule 1 (it's my train set, I'll run what I like) but a genuine excuse would be better;)

 

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9 hours ago, Blythtyneboi said:

Were any of the A2/2s seen North of Newcastle in BR days? I've got Thane of Fife on order anyway as I can always invoke rule 1 (it's my train set, I'll run what I like) but a genuine excuse would be better;)

 

Hi 

 

yes I have seen photos of the class at Haymarket in the mid and late 1950’s.

 

I am modelling Haymarket 64B around 1958, and like you I want to show genuine locos that were actually seen at the depot.

 

So your fully justified to have an A2/2 on your layout as long as it represents somewhere on the ECML

 

David

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Hi, can anyone confirm if the Hornby R3830 model of 60501 is suitable to be renumbered as 60502 or 60506, just want to confirm that the boiler Is compatible as a bit confused between 117 and 118 boiler types.

Thanks Fred

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13 minutes ago, Fredo said:

Hi, can anyone confirm if the Hornby R3830 model of 60501 is suitable to be renumbered as 60502 or 60506, just want to confirm that the boiler Is compatible as a bit confused between 117 and 118 boiler types.

Thanks Fred

Diagram 118 boilers fitted to the class as follows:

60501 10/1952

60502 3/1951

60505 3/1952 until 9/1957 (dia 117 fitted)

60506 6/1952

60503 and 60504 retained their 106A boilers throughout

Information ex-RCTS 'Green books' vol 2A. Hope this helps.

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20 minutes ago, Fredo said:

Hi, can anyone confirm if the Hornby R3830 model of 60501 is suitable to be renumbered as 60502 or 60506, just want to confirm that the boiler Is compatible as a bit confused between 117 and 118 boiler types.

Thanks Fred

 

Hi Fred, 60501 and 60502 are very similar,; boiler, cabs and tender. But there are small detail changes. e'g. A deliberate kink in the steam pipe. I think there's also  small changes on the running plate.  Not massive differences. Consulting pictures would be your best bet.

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24 minutes ago, Tramshed said:

Diagram 118 boilers fitted to the class as follows:

60501 10/1952

60502 3/1951

60505 3/1952 until 9/1957 (dia 117 fitted)

60506 6/1952

60503 and 60504 retained their 106A boilers throughout

Information ex-RCTS 'Green books' vol 2A. Hope this helps.

Fred

You had me digging a bit further. The class acquired cast chimneys from April 1951 (60504) and four others between 1954 and 1958. 60506 was never so fitted. The above painting diagrams suggest 60501 is to be supplied with plain chimney so may be suitable for 60506. Just another thing to watch out for.

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2 minutes ago, Tramshed said:

Fred

You had me digging a bit further. The class acquired cast chimneys from April 1951 (60504) and four others between 1954 and 1958. 60506 was never so fitted. The above painting diagrams suggest 60501 is to be supplied with plain chimney so may be suitable for 60506. Just another thing to watch out for.

 

Apologies - I forgot the chimney mods. But the tenders and cabs between 60501 and 60506 are different. On 60501 and 60502 the cabs have a turn in at the rear, and the tenders have a beading at the top. 60505/6 the cab have no turn-in and a streamlined highsided tender. 

The A2/2 is a minefield of options

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For release dates, RoS state this for the W1: Expected: Winter 2020-2021

 

For the A2/2: 2020 Range.

Release date not indicated.

 

TBH I always anticipated these during Christmas / New Year 2020 / 2021.

 

Al.

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On 09/06/2020 at 23:00, Blythtyneboi said:

Were any of the A2/2s seen North of Newcastle in BR days? I've got Thane of Fife on order anyway as I can always invoke rule 1 (it's my train set, I'll run what I like) but a genuine excuse would be better;)

 

 

The 6 of them  were transferred south in 1949. 60501 - 60503 went to York and 60504 - 60506 to New England. The York based three were very rare visitors to Edinburgh whilst it was highly unlikely that the other three got past Newcastle.

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2 hours ago, 60027Merlin said:

 

The 6 of them  were transferred south in 1949. 60501 - 60503 went to York and 60504 - 60506 to New England. The York based three were very rare visitors to Edinburgh whilst it was highly unlikely that the other three got past Newcastle.

Hi Eric

 

I have been pondering over the new Hornby A2/2's since they were first announced, I have finally bit the bullet and placed an order for 60501.

 

I have recently seen a photo of it on a freight passing Portobello sidings in the mid 1950's.

 

Although its Era 4 and I am modelling Era 5 I am hoping a change of tender totem and fitting an AWS bang plate if one is missing from the model will hopefully be enough.

 

Thompson Pacific's  really are a bit of a mine field.

 

Regards

 

David

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