JSpencer Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, MarkSG said: Contemporary documentation describes it as "canary yellow". But that doesn't really help, as colour names were by no means standardised in the way that many are now and canaries are quite a wide range of yellow! This was indeed quite a rustic era, especially compared with today. Expectations were not as high then as they are now. Here is a video by someone who makes replicas of historical swords. Unfortunately his swords would be non sellable if he replicate all the flaws that people at the time accepted. So he has to pick and choose a line between being a replica of an historical sword but somewhat less flawed and without actually becoming too modern and sterile. We can build modern replicas of Rocket to far higher standards and accuracy with materials that are far more consistant and precise. Take a modern replica back to 1830 and the engineers of the time will probably think you made it with witch craft. Some of the illustrations from the time posted earlier show how unfussed people were about accuracy. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, JSpencer said: This was indeed quite a rustic era, especially compared with today. Expectations were not as high then as they are now. Here is a video by someone who makes replicas of historical swords. Unfortunately his swords would be non sellable if he replicate all the flaws that people at the time accepted. So he has to pick and choose a line between being a replica of an historical sword but somewhat less flawed and without actually becoming too modern and sterile. We can build modern replicas of Rocket to far higher standards and accuracy with materials that are far more consistant and precise. Take a modern replica back to 1830 and the engineers of the time will probably think you made it with witch craft. Some of the illustrations from the time posted earlier show how unfussed people were about accuracy. Hi There, You may wish to look at the staggering accuracy built into Babage's difference engine of 1822, started in 1819. Clock makers and gun smiths of the day also worked to fine tolerances. Gibbo. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcredfer Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi There, You may wish to look at the staggering accuracy built into Babage's difference engine of 1822, started in 1819. Clock makers and gun smiths of the day also worked to fine tolerances. Gibbo. Very true - hours and hours of craft went into the accuracy. Engineer's Blue and triangular scrapers, for hour after hour - et al. Today's machine and computers may well be quicker, but accuracy was a question of time, effort and immensely skilled craftsmen, but certainly not absent. I have had the privilege of witnessing a good number of these skilled men at work, back in the 50s/60s. Machines were good in those days, but lacked the modern accuracy, but did provide the basic products, which were then honed by these fantastic craftsmen to accurate tolerances difficult to imagine in this computer CAD/CAM age - but anything like what was in that video - it was not!! Julian 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2020 (edited) On 14/02/2020 at 23:33, melmerby said: Another take on it: ^^^ (WWW.)ARTES.SU is a russian art site. The picture quite definitely isnt russian, it was used as the cover of the Rocket 150 guidebook in 1980... its been subjected to a Russian however. ive always been skeptical of this picture... the image suggests an engine at speed, but the guy ushering the kids away wouldnt be able to keep up, nor would the dogs be able to respond as fast. If the loco was static.. then why rush away the kids and why would the dogs react. Edited February 16, 2020 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: And equally chrome yellow could be variable, It still is............. I have a set of Network Rail decals to add to my Rocket. After all, every other b&gger paints it yellow and puts Network Rail stickers on. I wonder if I can get away plating over a few windows in the coaches? 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: And equally chrome yellow could be variable, It still is............. I have a set of Network Rail decals to add to my Rocket. After all, every other b&gger paints it yellow and puts Network Rail stickers on. I wonder if I can get away plating over a few windows in the coaches? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: And equally chrome yellow could be variable, It still is............. I have a set of Network Rail decals to add to my Rocket. After all, every other b&gger paints it yellow and puts Network Rail stickers on. I wonder if I can get away plating over a few windows in the coaches? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: And equally chrome yellow could be variable, It still is............. I have a set of Network Rail decals to add to my Rocket. After all, every other b&gger paints it yellow and puts Network Rail stickers on. I wonder if I can get away plating over a few windows in the coaches? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, newbryford said: It still is............. I have a set of Network Rail decals to add to my Rocket. After all, every other b&gger paints it yellow and puts Network Rail stickers on. I wonder if I can get away plating over a few windows in the coaches? It’s probably all NR can afford to lease at the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, newbryford said: I have a set of Network Rail decals to add to my Rocket. After all, every other b&gger paints it yellow and puts Network Rail stickers on. I wonder if I can get away plating over a few windows in the coaches? The new Slow Speed Test Train? Sounds good! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 Just now, Hroth said: The new Slow Speed Test Train? Sounds good! Nah, just NwR cutting down on diesel emissions, 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 47 minutes ago, adb968008 said: the image suggests an engine at speed, but the guy ushering the kids away wouldnt be able to keep up, nor would the dogs be able to respond as fast. He's not keeping up, but leaping out on the spur of the moment to stop them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16, 2020 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: The picture quite definitely isnt russian, it was used as the cover of the Rocket 150 guidebook in 1980... its been subjected to a Russian however. ive always been skeptical of this picture... the image suggests an engine at speed, but the guy ushering the kids away wouldnt be able to keep up, nor would the dogs be able to respond as fast. If the loco was static.. then why rush away the kids and why would the dogs react. Nobody said he was Russian. The artist was Alan Fearnley, mentioned earlier in the thread, he's modern and this book is still available, you may have noticed it in book shops. He also specialises in Motorsport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2020 11 hours ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Mark, You could always get yourself a canary feather and a RAL chart and see which is the best match ! Gibbo. And if the canary keels over you know it's time to put the lid back on the solvent bottle. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2020 Sylvester preparing the canary yellow colour sample . . . image link Animation World Network 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSG Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 10 hours ago, melmerby said: Nobody said he was Russian. The artist was Alan Fearnley, mentioned earlier in the thread, he's modern and this book is still available, you may have noticed it in book shops. He also specialises in Motorsport. While it's a nice painting of a loco, there are several obvious inaccuracies in the setting. So we shouldn't assume that his rendering of Rocket is any more reliable. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 55 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: Sylvester preparing the canary yellow colour sample . . . image link Animation World Network He'll never succeed though, never does... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, MarkSG said: While it's a nice painting of a loco, there are several obvious inaccuracies in the setting. So we shouldn't assume that his rendering of Rocket is any more reliable. Someone should have a word with Lizzie's fireman too - he's not doing himself any favours in the long run letting that much incompletely combusted carbon out the chimney. Do Alan Fearnley's motorsport paintings show vehicles that would not pass the MoT emissions test? Edited February 17, 2020 by Compound2632 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Someone should have a word with Lizzie's fireman too - he's not doing himself any favours in the long run letting that much incompletely combusted carbon out the chimney. Do Alan Fearnley's motorsport paintings show vehicles that would not pass the MoT emissions test? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2020 I'm keeping well back... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Compound2632 said: Someone should have a word with Lizzie's fireman too - he's not doing himself any favours in the long run letting that much incompletely combusted carbon out the chimney. Do Alan Fearnley's motorsport paintings show vehicles that would not pass the MoT emissions test? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2020 On 16/02/2020 at 11:57, Rudititanic said: (I'll be modifying my 3D-print 2nd & 3rd coaches asap), 2nd class coach https://www.shapeways.com/product/2SXCZ6EXZ/00-scale-liverpool-manchester-railway-2nd-coach?optionId=148136702&li=shops 3rd class https://www.shapeways.com/product/UMAW4DZ66/00-scale-liverpool-manchester-railway-3rd-coach?optionId=148136274&li=shops and the ballast trucks that would be prototypical for it in original form too as it was used on construction trains pre and post opening. https://www.shapeways.com/product/U82C62GL6/00-scale-ballast-truck?optionId=65658461&li=shops 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 17, 2020 16 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: 2nd class coach https://www.shapeways.com/product/2SXCZ6EXZ/00-scale-liverpool-manchester-railway-2nd-coach?optionId=148136702&li=shops 3rd class https://www.shapeways.com/product/UMAW4DZ66/00-scale-liverpool-manchester-railway-3rd-coach?optionId=148136274&li=shops If I may make so bold, the rather slabby axleboxes let down the excellent bodywork a little. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 17, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 17, 2020 I think his stuff is mostly upscaled from the N ones due to demand so in OO you just need to apply a bit of detailing work. No doubt Rudititanic can clarify but they look a good start so I’ve got one ordered to complement the Hornby set. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabile Visu Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I've just received my Rocket, and stuff me, it's tiny! It really is very, very small. I hadn't realised just how dinky it was from watching the Hornby videos. It seems very well built, and the barrel join is invisible when viewed from more than a foot away (at least with my eyes....) The only fault was that the chimney crown had fallen off. Easily reglued. I can't run it as I need to put a DCC chip in, but looking at the size of the barrel, I think I'll leave it to the experts to pave the way. Cheers, Trevor (new member) 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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