RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2020 Some disconcerting issues with depth of field there and also with gravity... 6 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2020 Well the tender wheels weren’t turning well so some drag there and the couplings are upside down! looks good though 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 The Rocket section gave me a sensation of being drunk! As a customer for this loco, I tried to pay close attention despite the motion sickness! I did spot that the black dart design to the wheels (seen on the graphic) is not printed on the wheels of the model shown, so perhaps that proved too difficult to execute. These things happen. The performance was a little concerning, as has been mentioned, and it looked like the footage was cut just before the model stopped with its wheels spinning in impotent frustration! This is doubtless a difficult subject for a motorised model. My first thought was to increase the weight on purchase, but where could you put it? I'd like this to be more than a cabinet queen - i have a working Lion and am working on a Derwent, so the attraction of Rocket is as another working model from 'the earlies'. Does anyone have any practical suggestions on how the running qualities might be improved post-purchase? I suppose it's hard to say until it's released and examined. Anyway, it won't put me off. How did the old Triang model fare on the track? 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Did he actually refer to the shunters trucks as just shunters? Then there were the special liveries GW Bordesley and BR Taunton. He's right up there with Simon Kohler referring to the Bulleid shorties as 1930s coaches. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted February 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) 20 minutes ago, PaulRhB said: the couplings are upside down! Quite apart from that, they're apparently a rigid molding so would look equally strange the other way up with the engine pulling! A bit of real 3-link coupling chain would be a nice upgrade to make if one is fussed about such things. Incidentally, delving into my favourite little book on the Worsdells, I read that at the opening of the L&M, loose chain couplings were used, though Thomas Clarke Worsdell, who had designed the carriages, had devised a rope coupling tightened by a wooden rod. It wasn't until 1837 that Henry Booth, company treasurer and possibly originator of the multi-tubular boiler, patented the progenitor of the screw coupling. Edited February 11, 2020 by Compound2632 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisr40 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Give Hornby their due they have replied to questions about the loco adhesion if you read the comments in youtube. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted February 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2020 12 minutes ago, Edwardian said: How did the old Triang model fare on the track? I think the original had magnadhesion , which of course this one doesn't , so it probably ran OK. I never had one but I think Oscar Paisley has shown it on his youtube channel . Looking forward to my Tri-ang special edition . Now there's a model announced and delivered within three months. Impressive . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, Compound2632 said: Quite apart from that, they're apparently a rigid molding so would look equally strange the other way up with the engine pulling! A bit of real 3-link coupling chain would be a nice upgrade to make if one is fussed about such things. Incidentally, delving into my favourite little book on the Worsdells, I read that at the opening of the L&M, loose chain couplings were used, though Thomas Clarke Worsdell, who had designed the carriages, had devised a rope coupling tightened by a wooden rod. It wasn't until 1837 that Henry Booth, company treasurer and possibly originator of the multi-tubular boiler, patented the progenitor of the screw coupling. They had a rope coupling on the Titfield Thunderbolt! Then it broke during the emergency braking test... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edwardian Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 11 minutes ago, Chrisr40 said: Give Hornby their due they have replied to questions about the loco adhesion if you read the comments in youtube. I have not seen any comments on Youtube. I'll see if I can find them. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 17 minutes ago, Chrisr40 said: Give Hornby their due they have replied to questions about the loco adhesion if you read the comments in youtube. But the comments only say it's a development sample, and the production ones will be of the highest quality. That's the sort of thing that British Leyland used to say... 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 15 minutes ago, Coppercap said: But the comments only say it's a development sample, and the production ones will be of the highest quality. That's the sort of thing that British Leyland used to say... For some reason, something about axle boxes springs to mind... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted February 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2020 I imagine a motorised coach would give proper running, with power left over for some open thirds. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, PaulRhB said: Well the tender wheels weren’t turning well so some drag there and the couplings are upside down! looks good though In the video Rockets trailing wheels are sticking as well so its hardly surprising its struggling but why have they released such an appalling video of it. The slidebars etc seem to a have a plastic look about them as well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted February 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Chrisr40 said: Video of it running on Hornby web page. Its struggling a bit with 3 coaches by the look of it. And amazingly with gravity defying chain link couplings! Who films this stuff? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted February 11, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 11, 2020 1 hour ago, Edwardian said: The performance was a little concerning, as has been mentioned, and it looked like the footage was cut just before the model stopped with its wheels spinning in impotent frustration! This is doubtless a difficult subject for a motorised model. My first thought was to increase the weight on purchase, but where could you put it? Stick of lead rod in the funnel I reckon...... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 I wonder how may who have pre-ordered, with the hope of having a useable loco are now having second thoughts on seeing this? (FYI, I've ordered the Tri-ang one...). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisr40 Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 (edited) Erm guilty as charged... Based upon the good job they made of the Ruston as a short wheel base loco. Edited February 11, 2020 by Chrisr40 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 11, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11, 2020 Well you could always coat a wheel in the old bullfrog snot if the pickups are good enough on the rest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 Its the first "Signal Box" I've watched since the first one, and not much of an improvement. I only watched to have a look at Rocket, but starting with the tinplate loco, I was disappointed that they didn't run the clockwork one in comparison, it would have suited the "three line track" very well! As for Rocket herself, I feel that their demonstration didn't show the model in a good light at all. The photography was dire* with poor focus and shifting depth of field, the voice-over very muffled and someone should have performed some tests to set the loco up before recording a run. As well as the sticking trailing wheels, the leading tender wheels were also sticking. The "chain" couplings looked wrong too, I assume that they had been fitted upside down, rather than with a bit of droop, displaying a complete lack of mechanical aptitude. Given the gap between the coaches, the designers should possibly have used conventional tension lock couplings instead. * I noticed that the tinplate loco appeared to skip and jump too, so some of Rockets hesitations may have been an artefact of the video recording/processing software. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Coppercap said: But the comments only say it's a development sample, and the production ones will be of the highest quality. That's the sort of thing that British Leyland used to say... And they did too 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 59 minutes ago, Hroth said: As well as the sticking trailing wheels, the leading tender wheels were also sticking. Look again - they were lifted off the track by the tender/loco coupling. Whether that was anything to do with the upside down couplings I don't know. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hroth Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 16 minutes ago, BernardTPM said: Look again I don't think I could.... 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butler Henderson Posted February 11, 2020 Share Posted February 11, 2020 On YouTube Hornby have responded saying "I can confirm the sample I got my hands on was a development sample from some months ago. The imminent models are of the highest quality - Mike2 and " We can confirm the coupling will be separate, meaning you can ensure they are correctly attached." 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted February 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2020 11 hours ago, Butler Henderson said: On YouTube Hornby have responded saying "I can confirm the sample I got my hands on was a development sample from some months ago. The imminent models are of the highest quality - Mike2 and " We can confirm the coupling will be separate, meaning you can ensure they are correctly attached." I wonder if they could confirm that the next Hornby video will be produced by people who actually like model railways, not yoofs who happen to own a smartphone! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12, 2020 I dont like that water barrel at all, no cooper would ever own up to making one with such obvious grooves in it. BTW the replica Rocket had a natural wood barrel when it was running 10 years ago. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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