Garethp8873 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Absolutely fantastic decision of Hornby to bring out LMS Coronation Scot Coaches! These will most certainly compliment Hornby's already stunning Streamlined Coronations! Cannot wait Hornby! On 24/12/2019 at 10:11, AY Mod said: LMS Coronation Scot coaches 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Indeed! A nice surprise. When modelling the Coronation Scot, always have the third class end next to the engine. The stock was turned after each trip. It may seem extreme, but look at the photos of the train in service (as opposed to on specials such as the record run and return). The third class end leads both ways. Hopefully, with all this new tooling, we shall in time see the carriages in the three other liveries in which they ran, i.e. LMS post-war, BR crimson and cream, BR maroon. The kitchen cars were entirely standard apart from the livery and would go well in many 1950s expresses. When they make them in BR liveries, assuming they do, I shall have at least two, plus most, if not all, of the other types. 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyRS Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Finally, good on you Hornby! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 9 minutes ago, robertcwp said: Indeed! A nice surprise. When modelling the Coronation Scot, always have the third class end next to the engine. The stock was turned after each trip. It may seem extreme, but look at the photos of the train in service (as opposed to on specials such as the record run and return). The third class end leads both ways. Hopefully, with all this new tooling, we shall in time see the carriages in the three other liveries in which they ran, i.e. LMS post-war, BR crimson and cream, BR maroon. The kitchen cars were entirely standard apart from the livery and would go well in many 1950s expresses. When they make them in BR liveries, assuming they do, I shall have at least two, plus most, if not all, of the other types. Just flicking through the Edward Talbot books and it seems that all of the coaches in the 1937 train had roof fairings covering the ventilators. Can’t see whether these were removed postwar but presumably to model standard coaches Hornby will either have to tool a separate roof fairing or make 2 tools (ie ‘streamlined’ and ‘non-streamlined’) I think the current Hornby Stanier’s have the roof and sides as one moulding. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 Useful to see Edward Talbot's book 'The Coronation Scot' includes an arrangement for this set and the other two sets. Set BFK RFO RK RTO RTO RK RTO BTK 1 5052 1069 7507 30084 8996 30086 8961 5812 2 5052 1070 7508 30089 9003 30085 9004 5792 3 5054 1071 7509 30087 8950 30088 8931 5814 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Well it'll save me a lot of work. The Comet ones I have in the pile will be built as normal coaches and I'll buy a set of these. Looking at the instructions the RKs had extra jumper cables added. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: Just flicking through the Edward Talbot books and it seems that all of the coaches in the 1937 train had roof fairings covering the ventilators. Can’t see whether these were removed postwar but presumably to model standard coaches Hornby will either have to tool a separate roof fairing or make 2 tools (ie ‘streamlined’ and ‘non-streamlined’) I think the current Hornby Stanier’s have the roof and sides as one moulding. I hope I'm right, but it would seem pretty short-sighted for Hornby to tool these up without building in the ability to produce the 'standard' versions without the pressure ventilation fairings in the future- The Coronation Scot set is the star of this year's announcements for me, but the prospect of 'non-Coronation Scot' versions in future is every bit as appealing. Edited January 6, 2020 by Invicta unfinished post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 The 1937 Coronation Scot stock (excluding the kitchen cars, which were standard apart from livery) retained the roof trunking. There is one on the right of this shot: LMS-buffet_Euston_24-9-54 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr Also one here: 43032_Dore by Robert Carroll, on Flickr And here: 46204_nrBerkhamstead_0950-Liverpool-Euston_22-7-61 by Robert Carroll, on Flickr 2 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 54 minutes ago, Garethp8873 said: Useful to see Edward Talbot's book 'The Coronation Scot' includes an arrangement for this set and the other two sets. Set BFK RFO RK RTO RTO RK RTO BTK 1 5052 1069 7507 30084 8996 30086 8961 5812 2 5052 1070 7508 30089 9003 30085 9004 5792 3 5054 1071 7509 30087 8950 30088 8931 5814 The tabulation seems to have gone wrong. Per the Talbot book, the sets were formed BFK, FK, RFO, RK, RTO, RTO, RK, RTO, BTK Set 1: 5052, 1069, 7507, 30084, 8996, 8993, 30086, 8961, 5812 Set 2: 5053, 1070, 7508, 30089, 9003, 9006, 30085, 9004, 5792 Set 3: 5054, 1071, 7509, 30087, 8950, 9029, 30088, 8931, 5814 Whether they maintained that arrangement, I don't know. There is at least one photo of a set being hauled by a non-streamlined pacific when in use on a relief or Saturday train, with additional carriages attached. Incidentally, Edward Talbot was unaware that the stock was turned after each journey until I pointed out to him that all in-service photos show the train the same way round and that it is listed as having the third class leading in the one carriage working book from the period of which I have a copy. 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 6, 2020 55 minutes ago, robertcwp said: Incidentally, Edward Talbot was unaware that the stock was turned after each journey until I pointed out to him that all in-service photos show the train the same way round and that it is listed as having the third class leading in the one carriage working book from the period of which I have a copy. So the 1st class passengers always had the shortest walk from the barriers for boarding? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 There was a photo on a thread on here about two or so years a go of one of the RFOs on the WR . The pressure ventilation trunking threw everyone as they could't work out what type of GWR coach it was until someone spotted the M suffix on the number. I am right in thinking the coaches ended up in general service but retained their more luxuriance seating arrangements. One of the FKs or RFO are now on the hit list for Sheffield Exchange's coaching stock. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeHunter Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Great announcement by Hornby. A couple of questions:1) will it be possible to model the complete train? 2) Are the coaches specific to the Scot, or were they standard diagrams specially painted for use in the train? My Hornby Staniers look a bit boring for lack of variety formed as an express, I have to add the ex Dapol restaurant car and a 3rd open by Replica to give some variety. Noted the above comment about the kitchen cars. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 34 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: So the 1st class passengers always had the shortest walk from the barriers for boarding? No one seems to know. It might have been to keep them away from the engine. Perhaps the pressure ventilation was inclined to suck in the exhaust? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertcwp Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 34 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: So the 1st class passengers always had the shortest walk from the barriers for boarding? No one seems to know. It might have been to keep them away from the engine. Perhaps the pressure ventilation was inclined to suck in the exhaust? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 6, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, robertcwp said: No one seems to know. It might have been to keep them away from the engine. Perhaps the pressure ventilation was inclined to suck in the exhaust? Hi Robert It was so the porters knew which end of the platform to wait so they got the biggest tip. 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor-onGRT4 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 (edited) Waiting years for this to come. More information on here of the Coronation Scot https://www.wondersofworldengineering.com/streamlined-expresses.html Edited January 6, 2020 by Cor-onGRT4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 15 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said: So the 1st class passengers always had the shortest walk from the barriers for boarding? ..... and the longest walk at the destination ................ same as having First Class at the London end of trains nowadays - it doesn't make a LOT of sense but it's neat and everybody knows their place ! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: ..... and the longest walk at the destination ................ same as having First Class at the London end of trains nowadays - it doesn't make a LOT of sense but it's neat and everybody knows their place ! It was my evening stroll up past the first class at Euston that inspired my comment 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 16 hours ago, MikeHunter said: Great announcement by Hornby. A couple of questions:1) will it be possible to model the complete train? 2) Are the coaches specific to the Scot, or were they standard diagrams specially painted for use in the train? My Hornby Staniers look a bit boring for lack of variety formed as an express, I have to add the ex Dapol restaurant car and a 3rd open by Replica to give some variety. Noted the above comment about the kitchen cars. I'm very keen to know this too! Fortunately I can add more variety through use of portholes as a 1950s modeller but would certainly appreciate more variety! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 16 hours ago, MikeHunter said: Great announcement by Hornby. A couple of questions:1) will it be possible to model the complete train? 2) Are the coaches specific to the Scot, or were they standard diagrams specially painted for use in the train? My Hornby Staniers look a bit boring for lack of variety formed as an express, I have to add the ex Dapol restaurant car and a 3rd open by Replica to give some variety. Noted the above comment about the kitchen cars. Link to one of my posts on the main thread giving diagram numbers of stock they were converted or derived from. The Coronation Scot stock went back into normal traffic externally unaltered after WW2 until 1962-64, so across three livery periods 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 16 hours ago, MikeHunter said: Great announcement by Hornby. A couple of questions:1) will it be possible to model the complete train? 2) Are the coaches specific to the Scot, or were they standard diagrams specially painted for use in the train? My Hornby Staniers look a bit boring for lack of variety formed as an express, I have to add the ex Dapol restaurant car and a 3rd open by Replica to give some variety. Noted the above comment about the kitchen cars. 1) Yes, I believe it will. The Scot was 9 coaches long & all of these have been listed. 2) They were specially modified with pressure ventilation, which created external detail differences. After the service was discontinued, the coaches were scattered throughout the rest of the fleet. 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Barry Ten Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 Apologies if it's staring me in the face, but I've missed the livery details for these coaches - are they going to be the blue ones? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invicta Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Yes, these are the 1937 blue Coronation Scot set. The red and gold ones are the 1939 sets, (which toured America, but IIRC never saw service in the UK before the war intervened)- they'd probably be a more complex proposition for Hornby as the coach designs were unique to the Coronation Scot, and consisted largely of articulated pairs Edited January 7, 2020 by Invicta 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 out of interest if the stock was scattered after the war, what coaches would the kitchen cars be paired with assuming that these would have to be "open" coaches to allow for dining services, and presumably from what I am gleaning from earlier comments it wouldn't necessarily be the RFO and RTO which formed part of the "Scot" 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 7, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2020 I think these are clever marketing by Hornby as they will also help to shift streamlined Duchesses which so far dont seem to have been flying off the shelves. I suggest those interested might want to start hunting down currently discounted blue streamliners which are looking like bargains compared to the forthcoming 6220. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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