FoxUnpopuli Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I have to admit, as someone who buys mostly second-hand stock, and rarely buys new anything unless it's heavily discounted (which includes the blue "Princess Alexandria" in the cupboard) I did actually order the whole darn lot of these new coaches. The layout I'm planning is going to need (at least) two stations capable of handling 9+ coach trains to do the whole 'consist' justice... Oh, what have I done! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 That is a good excuse thanks. I have duplicates - though only the blue and red liveries. Would love one in black. That would look incredible next to the pending black Merchant Navy when I think about it! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, InterCity80s said: Well, they made 10 of them didn't they? So... Nope. Five blue. Fifteen crimson. Four black. So twenty four streamliners. Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 19 minutes ago, Opelsi said: I had no idea there was a brake 1st as 5052! Got a rake of 6 of the original blue coaches, Namely: 5792 / 1069 / 1070 / 1071 / 1075 / 5812 They look great behind R2206 Coronation from 2001. However, the new full rake will look even better behind my newly acquired R3857 Coronation + R3623 Queen Elizabeth. Is 7 streamliners too many? R4218 brake end was 5052 and was made from 2004-05 and as part of R3092 train pack made from 2012-13 The prototype 5052 was a brake first coach in set 1 but I am not sure if the model was, I cannot see any reference to 1075 as a prototype or a model so perhaps it is a collector's item, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1075 was a special which Hornby renumbered for me with a note from Mr SK himself! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InterCity80s Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Nope. Five blue. Fifteen crimson. Four black. So twenty four streamliners. Jason You're quite right; I got my numbers totally wrong. Even more reason for Opelsi not to worry they have too many though. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Robin Brasher said: The brake 3rd has the correct number of windows whereas the corridor 1st has seven large windows whereas it should have five and a half. That's because the coach is a 1st 3rd composite made out to be a 1st. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aire Head Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 56 minutes ago, sandwich station said: That's because the coach is a 1st 3rd composite made out to be a 1st. It doesn't even a good job of being a composite. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 15, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 15, 2020 5 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: Never mind. If they released a LNWR George The Fifth, you'll still get someone comparing it to their Bassett Lowke one great grandad bought when he was in the trenches. Now if only we had a RTR range like Bassett Lowke's! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Ho hum... Should I mention that Hornby has the Bassett Lowke brand? Considering the most recent use of the name by Hornby?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 16 hours ago, Compound2632 said: In fact that applies to the whole 80s monstrosity. These coaches first appeared in the 70's to go with the then new Duchess Of Sutherland, probably another monstrosity by your reckoning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2020 25 minutes ago, sandwich station said: These coaches first appeared in the 70's to go with the then new Duchess Of Sutherland, probably another monstrosity by your reckoning. No, it's the coaches for which my particular loathing is reserved. I knew they were hideous from my first purchase of a brake third as a teenager - I realised I'd made a mistake and didn't waste my pocket money on any more. Mid you, the contemporary GW Colletts were just as bad. Oddly enough, the LNER carriages weren't so awful, especially after they got Gresley pattern bogies. But they all shared the same rather dbious underframe. Yes, 1977, contemporary with the introduction of Airfix Model Railways - so only a year or two before the introduction of their LMS Period 3 brake third and composite, which were a revolution in their day and still pass muster today, though of course not as refined as the 21st century Hornby and Bachmann offerings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 17 hours ago, FoxUnpopuli said: I have to admit, as someone who buys mostly second-hand stock, and rarely buys new anything unless it's heavily discounted (which includes the blue "Princess Alexandria" in the cupboard) I did actually order the whole darn lot of these new coaches. The layout I'm planning is going to need (at least) two stations capable of handling 9+ coach trains to do the whole 'consist' justice... Oh, what have I done! Nice excuse. I found (& am modelling) a prototype location which has a scenic section less than 8' long & its almost exactly to scale. My dilemna is that most of my streamliners have double chimneys. 6220-29 got these during the war, which was after the service was removed & the coaches placed in store. (6235-39 were around for a few months before the service was withdrawn & these were built with double chimneys). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 17 hours ago, Opelsi said: That is a good excuse thanks. I have duplicates - though only the blue and red liveries. Would love one in black. That would look incredible next to the pending black Merchant Navy when I think about it! Hornby did make one in black. I think it was City of Edinburgh. Mine is now City of Lancaster because it saw out LMS in this condition. All 24 were wartime black from December 1945 until April 1946 when the first were de-streamlined. 6229 Duchess of Hamilton & 6236 City of Bradford hung on to their casings until the last month of LMS days. Black should be an easy repaint though: no lining, just a spray coat of black. Check your chimneys though - it seems that 6220 was the only one which went black while it still had a single chimney. Shouldn't this be on the Princess Coronation loco thread? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2020 33 minutes ago, Pete the Elaner said: Black should be an easy repaint though: no lining, just a spray coat of black. Check your chimneys though - it seems that 6220 was the only one which went black while it still had a single chimney. Shouldn't this be on the Princess Coronation loco thread? Yes, don't spray your Coronation Scot coaches black. Instead, model the carriage sheds at Horwich or Lostock Hall, where the sets were laid up for the duration. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I enclose a picture of my collection of Coronation class locomotives and coaches. I think that the maroon coaches are mainly fictitious coaches although there is a maroon Coronation Scot coach in the National Railway Museum. I think that the coaches with metal wheels on the top three shelves are an improvement on the other coaches with plastic wheels. The headboards on the blue coaches represent separate boards that are attached to the coaches whereas the headboards on the maroon coaches represent letters painted on. The blue coaches had painted headboards by 31 May 1938 with white letters on the blue coach background. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 6 hours ago, Compound2632 said: No, it's the coaches for which my particular loathing is reserved. I knew they were hideous from my first purchase of a brake third as a teenager - I realised I'd made a mistake and didn't waste my pocket money on any more. Mid you, the contemporary GW Colletts were just as bad. Oddly enough, the LNER carriages weren't so awful, especially after they got Gresley pattern bogies. But they all shared the same rather dbious underframe. Yes, 1977, contemporary with the introduction of Airfix Model Railways - so only a year or two before the introduction of their LMS Period 3 brake third and composite, which were a revolution in their day and still pass muster today, though of course not as refined as the 21st century Hornby and Bachmann offerings. Too short though. Very noticeable when you started building Ian Kirk kits to enhance the rakes and found them not to match. I eventually gave mine to my brother who was less picky. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Robin Brasher said: I enclose a picture of my collection of Coronation class locomotives and coaches. I think that the maroon coaches are mainly fictitious coaches although there is a maroon Coronation Scot coach in the National Railway Museum. I think that the coaches with metal wheels on the top three shelves are an improvement on the other coaches with plastic wheels. The headboards on the blue coaches represent separate boards that are attached to the coaches whereas the headboards on the maroon coaches represent letters painted on. The blue coaches had painted headboards by 31 May 1938 with white letters on the blue coach background. Yes. this was mentioned a couple of pages ago. It was a special set of a new design which toured the USA behind 6220 Coronation in red (although it was actually 6229 Duchess of Hamilton, carrying 6220's name & number). When they finally returned to the UK, the coaches were turned out in standard livery. I think they look nice though. Maybe it would have been a standard livery if the war had never happened? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted October 16, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2020 It could be argued that a brake third in red with gold stripes is legitimate as a model of the modern preserved vehicle with DoH. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cor-onGRT4 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) The livery samples are really eye catching, and a real surprise, they are with ligthing looks astonishing. Can't wait till my 9 coach train arrive in March Edited November 27, 2020 by Cor-onGRT4 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 They do look nice. I was wondering in later years and in a different livery would any of these be suitable to run behind the post war expresses pulled by the pioneer diesels 10000 and 10001? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
County of Yorkshire Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 I’m surprised these haven’t attracted more comment since this morning’s Engine Shed blog, as they look incredible. I fundamentally cannot justify any as a post-war GWR modeller, but I will certainly admire them when I see them in the flesh at my next exhibition (whenever that is!). I must also say that these augur well should Hornby turn their premium coach attentions west... GWR Centenaries or Ocean Saloons anyone? CoY Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2020 On 16/10/2020 at 15:39, Robin Brasher said: I think that the maroon coaches are mainly fictitious coaches although there is a maroon Coronation Scot coach in the National Railway Museum. That is merely an ordinary LMS brake 3rd the NRM happened to have in the collection which got repainted to match Dutchess of Hamilton when that got re streamlined a decade or so ago. It never saw service in the proper Coronation Scott and neither did it carry the gold striped livery in LMS service. Any resemblance to the fictions Hornby offerings of the past is thus merely coincidental. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, County of Yorkshire said: I’m surprised these haven’t attracted more comment since this morning’s Engine Shed blog, as they look incredible. I fundamentally cannot justify any as a post-war GWR modeller, but I will certainly admire them when I see them in the flesh at my next exhibition (whenever that is!). I must also say that these augur well should Hornby turn their premium coach attentions west... GWR Centenaries or Ocean Saloons anyone? CoY ES has been up less than 30 minutes when you wrote this. And it's Black Friday.... But yes they do look lovely... Edited November 27, 2020 by stovepipe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted November 27, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 27, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, County of Yorkshire said: I must also say that these augur well should Hornby turn their premium coach attentions west... GWR Centenaries or Ocean Saloons anyone? Personally I would prefer them to focus their attention on the missing elements first! A bunch of premium coaches may look nice behind a certain loco - but for those attempting to model a railway then they are not a great deal of use compared to ordinary vehicles. The Collett restaurant car is an obvious candidate for a revamp as far as GWR mainline stock is concerned and there may also be other variants like a BCK to complement the already released range. Over on the LMS we are still missing the very prolific Stainer CK while the Coronation Scot TRO could potentially be turned into a regular TO. Dining provision for regular services could come from the revamped period 2 dining car Hornby already have thus completing a set of catering options for each of the big 4 Edited November 27, 2020 by phil-b259 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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