Heljan class 28

[chris_irl]

No I,ve no idea how much it would cost to produce a RTR model,my post was only to alert the RM community to a new model coming out and my view on the price structure was a very personal opinion one based on my outgoings per month eg Mortgage,bills,feeding my family etc.

 

£100,000-£150,000 for R&D, measurments and producing the final tooling and prototype is a figure I've seen thrown around a fair few times. Its well enough established from Irish forums I frequent as certain users who run shops etc have queried it or know from Mr Murphy's experiences

 

If you assume a retial mark up of 100% (which doesn't seem unreasonable for the typre of product) you're looking at wholesale price of 125/2 = ~65 for arguements sake.

 

After that its pure guesswork, rather than vaguely known from above.

 

IF selling price is 65, probably looking at varaible costs of around 20-30, fixed of 150k/X thousand units and profit of 5-10 per piece.

X=5000 units seems like a reasonable production run to reach a profitable level

 

 

Once again I will stress these are just my musings and nothing more.

Given that runs of 500 are possible the variable costs may be considerably less (though these special runs are usually variats on a standard item)

[woodenhead]

Glad I model in N gauge, we get much more time between releases to save up.

 

Hope some of these eventually make it to N gauge as well.

[Downendian]

I've just been in contact with Hattons to confirm the spec of D5700 Full BR Green (as delivered into service) ref no: UK 2800 as I was wondering about the front cab window arrangement.

 

This model will feature the correct original wrap around front windows whilst the remaining models will have the later flat front version so there will be two versions to choose from.

 

I'd like to add that the lady who dealt with my pedantic request did so in a very friendly and helpful manner!

 

 

 

 

Wow that IS impressive- attention to detail Heljan. There was a Model Rail masterclass a few years ago on the Metrovics, I'm sure Heljan know about that

[bluex5]

Excellent news, plain green one ordered.

[Savoyard]

I was told first quarter 2011 by Hattons today.

 

Peter

[spackz]

A plain green one for me, I don't especially need one but my layout is flexible enough to run one. Only an early class 21 and original baby deltic left for me.

 

 

[Bert Cheese]

B) Ooh Wibble.............

 

I have always been fascinated with these things since glimpsing D5705 through my binoculars at Swindon works as a youth back in the early 1980's, and having read about them in Brian Haresnapes excellent "Fleet survey" books which I eagerly purchased from Dave Cleal when he had his shop in Chandlers Ford.........Oh for a time machine to take me back to happier days.

 

D5700 & D5705 duly ordered with no hesitation whatsoever, the sheer joy of potential Co-Bo ownership is enough to make me smile even when looking at my dodgy pair of Claytons

[D605Eagle]

 

 

Would be happy if a couple of quid from each sale was going towards the restoration of D5705 though (as Heljan have done with one of their Class 15's), it may get the old girl up and running long enough to get the makings of a good sound chip!

 

I take it there is no estimated release date as of yet?

There is a a form of contribution been made to us although I'm not at liberty to say exactly what it is. But rest assured that a small part of your sale will go to D5705s restoration. B)

[Accurascale Fran]

There is a a form of contribution been made to us although I'm not at libertly to say exactly what it is. But rest assured that a small part of your sale will go to D5705s restoration. B)

 

That's great to hear D605Eagle, and keep up the good work! Would love to hear a Crossley one day having missed out on the ones here.

[45568]

Also at Hattons at the moment are the conflats and containers, in singles, fours and sixes!! Get 'em while they're hot!!!

Cheers, Peter C.

[Poor Old Bruce]

Question. Did they double head a lot on their runs?

AFAIK they were used in pairs on Midland Line expresses out of St. Pancras. There was a tale, though, of one expiring before leaving St. P and the other only managing to get as far as Kentish Town.

 

Single units were used on Derby-Manchester trains.

 

Anyone want a pair of HD ones?

 

Richard

[RedgateModels]

Are they not doing one with a face?

[00ERmissus]

I've just been in contact with Hattons to confirm the spec of D5700 Full BR Green (as delivered into service) ref no: UK 2800 as I was wondering about the front cab window arrangement.

 

This model will feature the correct original wrap around front windows whilst the remaining models will have the later flat front version so there will be two versions to choose from.

 

I'd like to add that the lady who dealt with my pedantic request did so in a very friendly and helpful manner!

 

 

 

Would have been my first question too - early (wraparound cab windows) or late? But both, now that really is a very welcome surprise. No question I'll order a plain green one on the strentgh of that - for test runs on the ER! Love 'em or hate 'em and I know there are those of us in both camps, Heljan is producing stuff in r-t-r form that otherwise we could have only dreamed of, so hat's off to them in that respect. Now, along with their other product announcements, could we have 'as delivered into service' versions of the CL26 and Baby Deltic please. Oh and a DP2, then I'll call it a day, I'm not greedy!

[Dave777]

See, I was right:

 

http://www.rmweb.co....dpost__p__57831

 

(Prediction number 5 )

 

Modelling in N gauge I have no use for this. So I will be ordering the 'as delivered' all green version.

 

 

(note to self: don't ever comment again on prices of new models... )

[RedgateModels]

Can someone confirm that they did not enter service until 1959 to save me money

[Savoyard]

Just ordered mine so it's time to 'Fire up the Co-Bo' sound project and do some more work on it!

 

 

 

This is the original version on ESU Loksound chip, I have subsequently done a Zimo version with a bigger bass speaker.

 

Peter

[Accurascale Fran]

Very interesting Peter! Did you get the sound via the Aussie Crossleys? They sound beastly!

[Savoyard]

Yes this project is based on the Australian Crossleys, the nearest we will get until D5705 is up and running.

 

Peter

[The Stationmaster]

Can someone confirm that they did not enter service until 1959 to save me money

 

 

D5700 on acceptance trials July 1958 - sorrreeeee

[RedgateModels]

Ah, but I bet it never did freight trials .....

 

 

Straws firmly clutched

 

 

[The Stationmaster]

Ah, but I bet it never did freight trials .....

 

 

Straws firmly clutched

 

 

Probably not - they were simply put onto freight and passenger work as they were delivered.

 

Note of reassurance - generally reliable sources refer only to 'fast freight work'

[McGomez]

I´m going to wait for the Loadhaul version from the 2nd batch.

[Alco]

The following list shows the small quantities being produced.

 

2800 Class 28 Co-Bo Diesel D5700 Full BR Green (as delivered into service)

350

2801 Class 28 Co-Bo Diesel D5705 BR Green with Small Yellow Panels (as preserved)

550

2802 Class 28 Co-Bo Diesel D5707 BR Green with Full Yellow Ends

550

2803 Class 28 Co-Bo Diesel D5718 BR Green with Small Yellow Panels (Weathered)

550

2804 Class 28 Co-Bo Diesel D5708 BR Green with Full Yellow Ends (Weathered)

400

2805 Class 28 Co-Bo Diesel D5701 BR Blue

425

2806 Class 28 Co-Bo Diesel D5701 BR Blue (Weathered)

425

 

I'd expect these to sell out well before the anticipated delivery of Q1 2011.

Regards

Bob

[Ian J.]

Was 5701 the only class member to get standard blue?

[Gwiwer]

Was 5701 the only class member to get standard blue?

 

I believe that's correct Ian. Their early withdrawal ensured that they didn't become part of the Blue Revolution.