RMweb Premium 7013 Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 Shame they are only making 500 which have already been pre ordered. Inevitably some will go to collectors, others will go to speculators and end up commanding hugely inflated prices on eBay etc.Ces’t la vie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 These 'Speculators' consider themselves collectors ... Perhaps some have a vague interest in railways, if not particularly model railways. Many, as inferred will probably just put in a drawer as a 'keepsake' for 10-20 years, then bring it out 'one rainy day'. It takes all sorts I suppose. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I ran my 70 year old Hornby Dublo Duchess of Atholl tonight at the Hornby Railway Collectors Association meeting at Corfe Mullen. It is worn out now as one of the wheels has come loose and a pin came out of a connecting rod and the rod and valve gear got tangled up and brought the model to a halt. It looks like it is time to replace it. In 1957 a friend showed me his Duchess of Atholl. I had never heard of it as Hornby was making the Duchess of Montrose as it's flagship locomotive. He had a double track layout with an A2 controller and it looked like the controller, rolling stock and locomotives were built to last a lifetime. People still rejuvenate Hornby Dublo locomotives so perhaps it is a case of perpetual motion. Another member managed to untangle the valve gear so my Duchess of Atholl is, just about, still running. 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted March 10, 2020 Share Posted March 10, 2020 In his interview on page 46 of the April 2020 Hornby Magazine about the Hornby Dublo Duchess of Atholl Simon Kohler says: " I learnt that the tender body for the original was plastic, which was a bonus, so it was really just the die-cast body for the locomotive that we had to produce. Everybody got onboard with that." The tender body for the 'City of London' was made of plastic on a die cast chassis and was similar to the tender body for the 'Duchess of Atholl." The Hornby Dublo 'Duchess of Atholl' had a die cast chassis with the wheels mounted on a tinplate sub frame. the tender body was made of tinplate which had tabs fixing the body to the chassis. The coal load was plastic, 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
22C Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 On 13/01/2020 at 23:50, robmcg said: Looks to me that the new die cast model has the older chassis without the super detail front under-frame, bevelled driving wheels, etc. I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it, considering the froth interest and noise when the latest plastic-body Atholl was released ... (but may have missed it). In other words this is the 2008 era chassis, fat bogie front is a giveaway. Not bad but not the latest chassis. From looking at the development sample in the latest episode of Hornby’s Signal Box video, it looks as though R3819 will have all the improvements of the newer c2017 tooling i.e. detailed frames, wind deflectors on the cab sides etc. So perhaps the original product artwork is slightly misleading! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, 22C said: From looking at the development sample in the latest episode of Hornby’s Signal Box video, it looks as though R3819 will have all the improvements of the newer c2017 tooling i.e. detailed frames, wind deflectors on the cab sides etc. So perhaps the original product artwork is slightly misleading! Indeed it was misleading and the new metal body Atholl does indeed have the lovely new model chassis, as shown here in a screen shot The original artwork does show an old front bogie with lump in front, but clearly not o this evaluation running model. Apologies for jumping the gun as it were. Great, maybe I will buy one after all... I have a late-40s version in 3-rail so really must have a 2020 version. Edit; if I can find one for sale! Only 500 to be made? Edited March 13, 2020 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
22C Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 On 13/03/2020 at 00:39, robmcg said: Indeed it was misleading and the new metal body Atholl does indeed have the lovely new model chassis, as shown here in a screen shot The original artwork does show an old front bogie with lump in front, but clearly not o this evaluation running model. Apologies for jumping the gun as it were. Great, maybe I will buy one after all... I have a late-40s version in 3-rail so really must have a 2020 version. Edit; if I can find one for sale! Only 500 to be made? Thanks for the screenshot. In fairness, I would have been happy with the older tooling. I have a few Duchesses of the older tooling, which I really like. This will be my first of the new tooling (I have one on pre-order) - I hope it doesn’t make me want to replace my current Duchesses - I don’t have the money for that! Hopefully you manage to get hold of one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, 22C said: Thanks for the screenshot. In fairness, I would have been happy with the older tooling. I have a few Duchesses of the older tooling, which I really like. This will be my first of the new tooling (I have one on pre-order) - I hope it doesn’t make me want to replace my current Duchesses - I don’t have the money for that! Hopefully you manage to get hold of one. Getting hold of one. Now there's a riddle tied up in a conundrum... a retailer I use for preference says they got an allowance three on pre-order, just like Hattons and Rails, and have eight willing buyers at full retail, so it may be a simple draw from a hat, and of course unfortunately there will be some buyers wantig only to re-sell at a profit. Possibly 200 are for non UK retailers. Actually not a very nice scenario. My feeling is that there is misinformation going around, too. Anyway it's a lovely idea, and I'm pleased it will have a double chimney. Edited March 15, 2020 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
22C Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, robmcg said: Getting hold of one. Now there's a riddle tied up in a conundrum... a retailer I use for preference says they got an allowance three on pre-order, just like Hattons and Rails, and have eight willing buyers at full retail, so it may be a simple draw from a hat, and of course unfortunately there will be some buyers wantig only to re-sell at a profit. Possibly 200 are for non UK retailers. Actually not a very nice scenario. My feeling is that there is misinformation going around, too. Hmm, I have had assurances from the retailer that I have one allocated, and that this will be fulfilled. I will be very upset if I end up missing out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, 22C said: Hmm, I have had assurances from the retailer that I have one allocated, and that this will be fulfilled. I will be very upset if I end up missing out. I think that if the pre-order was accepted then it would be fulfilled. My retailer was probably describing the number they had who had asked if a pre-order was likely to be met, without actually confirming a pre-order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Suddenly my 1949 Atholl is looking good... but in some ways not as good as my 2017 version... pic edited will remove if asked. here is another edited version, which might approximate the 'look' of the metal version. Will remove if asked. Based on an original photo by Trevor McGavin. The biggest obvious difference apart from weight and packaging may be the double chimney on the metal version. Worth noting in the artwork from Hornby is that detail may vary, or something to that effect. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 33 minutes ago, robmcg said: Suddenly my 1949 Atholl is looking good... but in some ways not as good as my 2017 version... pic edited will remove if asked. here is another edited version, which might approximate the 'look' of the metal version. Will remove if asked. Based on an original photo by Trevor McGavin. The biggest obvious difference apart from weight and packaging may be the double chimney on the metal version. Worth noting in the artwork from Hornby is that detail may vary, or something to that effect. i hope the packaging takes account of that extra weight, I think thats what caused the issues on the 47xx.. nice model and top heavy, maybe the packaging wasnt optimum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, adb968008 said: i hope the packaging takes account of that extra weight, I think thats what caused the issues on the 47xx.. nice model and top heavy, maybe the packaging wasnt optimum. Indeed, I have several 47XXs and a couple got quite badly damaged between manufacture and arrival here in NZ, but some were fine. I think Heljan's assembly was fairly light on glue, apart from the unfortunate nature of impact and/or vibration on the front sub-frame and other body parts and details.. That said, the body of the die-cast Atholl should be bulletproof ? My 1949 one certainly is. just for pleasure.. Edited March 15, 2020 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 15, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, robmcg said: Indeed, I have several 47XXs and a couple got quite badly damaged between manufacture and arrival here in NZ, but some were fine. I think Heljan's assembly was fairly light on glue, apart from the unfortunate nature of impact and/or vibration on the front sub-frame and other body parts and details.. That said, the body of the die-cast Atholl should be bulletproof ? My 1949 one certainly is. just for pleasure.. quite, I remeber back around 1979 my dads 6231 fell out of the loft, he just went down, picked it up, climbed back up and set it running again. Edited March 15, 2020 by adb968008 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollanaut Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 On 16/03/2020 at 08:03, robmcg said: Suddenly my 1949 Atholl is looking good... but in some ways not as good as my 2017 version... pic edited will remove if asked. here is another edited version, which might approximate the 'look' of the metal version. Will remove if asked. Based on an original photo by Trevor McGavin. The biggest obvious difference apart from weight and packaging may be the double chimney on the metal version. Worth noting in the artwork from Hornby is that detail may vary, or something to that effect. These are some of your best ever photos, Rob! I’m in awe at your talents.... 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 I'm amazed at the detailing present on the originals ... impressive allowing for the time. Agreed, saying 'touching up' is an insult - should hold exhibitions of your artwork - if you haven't already. Al. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co-tr-Paul Posted May 7, 2020 Author Share Posted May 7, 2020 Anyone heard about any delivery updates ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Co-tr-Paul Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 September was last quoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
22C Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 Here are a couple of screenshots from the recent Hornby Signal Box on YouTube. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
linz61 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I hope it comes with the smokebox darts supplied and fixed...hehe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
atom3624 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 And that Giant Haystacks hasn't mounted using the front steps .... !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
linz61 Posted July 17, 2020 Share Posted July 17, 2020 I notice they haven't fitted them either (or lost them) in their promotional photo in the today's edition of Engine Shed. Come on people, get a grip!. Still, it was a cracking read, especially the correspondence about Triang's arranging the viewing of the Evening Star at Brighton. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexington Posted July 30, 2020 Share Posted July 30, 2020 Not sure why, what or how, but Hornby appear to have some more. This, along with the Tri-ang Rocket have to be the pick of the anniversary models. Be quick or be.... https://www.Hornby.com/uk-en/lms-6231-duchess-of-atholl-centenary-year-limited-edition-1948.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metijg Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 Hornby have just taken payment for the pre-order. I guess this means they are on the way? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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