TomJ Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 Quick question. Did the GWR 2-8-0 tender engines ever cross the Tamar Bridge into Cornwall? I’ve not found a picture of one. But I rather like them and the Dapol model. Might have to apply for another Rule 1 license! Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted January 20, 2020 Share Posted January 20, 2020 I have a lot of books on Cornwall's railways and I don't recall seeing any photos of these locos in any of them. I believe that the last main line steam run to Penzance behind 34002 'Salisbury' on 3rd May 1964 actually arrived at Plymouth behind 2887, was there a reason the 2-8-0 couldn't cross the Tamar, requiring the use of a 'foreigner'?! Could one have turned up but not been recorded? Who knows - I'm aware of just one photo of a BR Standard 4MT (75025) in Cornwall, at Penwithers Junction in 1954. Just before this BR had been showing off its new hardware in the form of 'Britannias' 70019 & 70024 working the down 'CRE' to Penzance, they were short-lived (local crews didn't like them) but there are a number of photographs of those. I like 'Britannias', I used to have a Tri-ang-Hornby one with Magnadhesion, Synchro-Smoke and everything! Sorry, I'm rambling a bit now.... Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyH Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I am sure St Blazey had one rostered. I will check when I return from working away, though others more knowledgable than I will respond first. Cheers, andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I don't think they were banned. Possibly not much need for heavy freight locomotives in Cornwall. Besides wasn't there 42XXs and 72XXs in Cornwall with higher axle weight? 28XXs were Blue whilst the tanks were Red. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 4 hours ago, TomJ said: Quick question. Did the GWR 2-8-0 tender engines ever cross the Tamar Bridge into Cornwall? I’ve not found a picture of one. But I rather like them and the Dapol model. Shed Bash St Blazey - Saturday 29 June 1946 - 2827 http://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2017_07_20_archive.html Penzance - Tuesday 2 July 1946 - 2841 http://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2017_07_12_archive.html 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I don't think they were banned. Possibly not much need for heavy freight locomotives in Cornwall. Jason Kings and 47xx's were banned from crossing the Tamar. I don't believe that any other class was. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2020 28XX were definitely NOT prohibited from working between Keyham and Penzance. 47XX were not permitted beyond Keyham, Kings' were originally not permitted beyond Devonport but this was extended to Keyham during WWII which means that 'Kings' and 47XX were not permitted over Weston Mill Viaduct. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 Known as 'Shakey Bridge' locally, there is a foot bridge attached to the viaduct, since closed to the public due to it being a possible means of illicit access to the naval base. It vibrates quite a bit when a train rumbles over it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim.snowdon Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 hours ago, The Stationmaster said: 28XX were definitely NOT prohibited from working between Keyham and Penzance. 47XX were not permitted beyond Keyham, Kings' were originally not permitted beyond Devonport but this was extended to Keyham during WWII which means that 'Kings' and 47XX were not permitted over Weston Mill Viaduct. The 28s are noted as having blue route restriction, which puts them into the average when it comes to route availability. If pictures of them in Cornwall are thin on the ground, it may be for no more reason than that they weren't needed. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 17 hours ago, mdvle said: Shed Bash St Blazey - Saturday 29 June 1946 - 2827 http://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2017_07_20_archive.html Penzance - Tuesday 2 July 1946 - 2841 http://shedbashuk.blogspot.com/2017_07_12_archive.html News to me, but I'm always interested to find out about 'new' motive power in Cornwall. In my defence my books don't go back that far! After 45 years away from Cornwall I'm about to move back to be within walking distance of St Blazey shed, not that there's much to see there these days. I remember it full of hydraulics........sigh. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pb_devon Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Siberian Snooper said: Known as 'Shakey Bridge' locally, there is a foot bridge attached to the viaduct, since closed to the public due to it being a possible means of illicit access to the naval base. It vibrates quite a bit when a train rumbles over it. The footbridge is long gone, the last vestiges removed when WMV had the major refurbishment about 8/10 years ago. But you’re right about Naval Base security being an issue, but in reality the decking had fallen into disrepair and closure was the way out of spending any money! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomJ Posted January 21, 2020 Author Share Posted January 21, 2020 Thanks everyone. That’s more than enough justification for me! Mind you if someone does make the 47xx in N gauge then the 2mm Tamar Bridge might well get an upgrade! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LBRJ Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) Was/is there not an issue for large locos as regards the curve at the end of the Albert Bridge? Talking of Shakey Bridge, I can remember (probably first trip out there on a Sunday morning, when we had a great fiddle ) we were crawling across there waiting for the road to Bere Alston and a fully loaded train of bullets went past hauled by a 60 - I then realised just why it was called Shakey Bridge Edited January 21, 2020 by LBRJ 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Gough Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 There is a photo of 2839, on a westbound class D goods, at Bodmin Road in 1934 in the book 'Great Western Steam 1934-1949' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted January 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2020 28xx's were based at Laria during the 50's, so even though they were not seen in Cornish sheds at this time there were certainly some that were close enough to be regularly used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium rab Posted January 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Kris said: 28xx's were based at Laria during the 50's, so even though they were not seen in Cornish sheds at this time there were certainly some that were close enough to be regularly used. It might be that as they were used mainly on freight, they could have been in use mainly overnight, so not easy/likely to have been photographed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted January 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 22, 2020 9 hours ago, rab said: It might be that as they were used mainly on freight, they could have been in use mainly overnight, so not easy/likely to have been photographed. It would have been less likely that they were used overnight as the signal boxes in Cornwall were closed during the middle of the night as far as I know. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halls and Prairies Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Two photos I’ve found:- 2828 between Marazion and St Erth in May 1940. Bradford Barton Great Western Steam in Cornwall, p67. 3862 on Forder Viaduct (East end of the County), no date but it is a Peter Gray shot which usually means late 50s / early 60s and others by him in the same area in the book relate to that period. The caption comments that it was a rarity. The Great Western Railway in East Cornwall, Alan Bennett, p14. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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