RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, col.stephens said: £17? I won't hold my breath. I remember that Hattons first priced the Bachmann crane at £60! Ah, but that was Bachmann. This is a company that started the 94xx at £81-odd. I'll warrant that you won't see that model (94xx) for much under £140. Cynic? Moi? No, just being pragmatic. Nonetheless, if it's a nice model crane, then I'll have one for the earlier stock. Ian. Edited January 21, 2020 by tomparryharry context clean -up 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin.M Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I believe that the SE&CR had one too, I wonder if it will be a latter version? Martin 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 33 minutes ago, The Fatadder said: Unless the fabled Brassmasters GWR conversion kit can be used. I don't think the cab actually exists as a kit. Jon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BlueLightning Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, Martin.M said: I believe that the SE&CR had one too, I wonder if it will be a latter version? Martin I've already pre-ordered one for a repaint as that, and another for LB&SCR I think I have drawings for the LB&SCR match truck, just need an SE&CR one now Gary 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin.M Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I have the D&S one but I need to check it to see it is the same. If I remember correctly the runner wagon it is am odd size wagon as a normal 10 foot under frame wagon is too short for the length of the jib.... Martin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Hi Folks, That rather takes the fun out of scratch building one. Not to worry, I might finish my nearly started ones first. Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post micklner Posted January 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Compound2632 said: The photograph being used to illustrate this model is a Derby official of Midland Railway crane No. 27, later No. 242, as new from Cowans Sheldon - their works No. 1856, of 1893. Here's another photo from the same set: NRM DY 603, released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA 3.0) licence by the National Railway Museum. Oxford's No. 243, originally numbered 28, was from the same batch of four (Cowans Sheldon works No. 1857) and was stationed at Wellingborough from new. It was paired with match wagon 114906 - a purpose-built vehicle, as were all Midland match wagons. The drawing for this, Drg. 847, is available on the Midland Railway Study Centre website although it would appear details of the jib rest in that drawing apply to match wagons for a couple of 10 ton cranes, Lots 262 and 514; the match wagons of Lot 321 (for the 1893 15 ton cranes) and 463 (for the 1899 batch of cranes with the later style of jib) had jib rests that were lower and wider. For full details, see D. Hunt, Midland Record No. 2 (Wild Swan). Here's No. 28 in action, along with a 5 ton (?) hand crane, tidying up after the accident at Irchester Junction, 1894: NRM DY 607, released under the Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (CC BY-NC-SA 3.0) licence by the National Railway Museum. The price I've seen quoted in various places seems extraordinarily low for a model of such a complex prototype, so I'm not getting rid of my D&S kit just yet... Edited January 21, 2020 by micklner 9 1 1 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Thes are 7mm kit builds found on a Internet search. No listed owner, shown for educational purposes only, they will be removed if requsted by the owner.(s). If Oxford get even close to the quality this detail it will be very impressive model !! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 57 minutes ago, col.stephens said: £17? I won't hold my breath. I remember that Hattons first priced the Bachmann crane at £60! Its also quoted at £17 on Model Railways Direct . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, micklner said: If Oxford get even close to the quality this detail it will be very impressive model !! Especially for less than 20 sovs! (I realise I'm not the only one thinking that there's a mistake, or upcoming 'price adjustment', there) Edited January 21, 2020 by truffy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbo675 Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, Legend said: Its also quoted at £17 on Model Railways Direct . Hi Lregend, I wonder if the numbers 7 and 1 are somehow reversed or worse still the decimal point is one place to the left of where it ought to be ? Gibbo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gibbo675 said: Hi Lregend, I wonder if the numbers 7 and 1 are somehow reversed or worse still the decimal point is one place to the left of where it ought to be ? Gibbo. No . I think Rails have it at £19.75 rrp . Remember compared to the Bachmann one this is a small crane, a bit like the old Tri-ang one in size . At a tenth of the price of Bachmann not everything has to cost the earth you know . 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 Scaling from a drawing of a Great Central example in the Tatlow book, suggests a match wagon 22 ft over headstocks and 14ft wb. The photo next to that example looks like it might be those dimensions and looks like a low or one plank, but all steel. I can understand why OR didn't try to do a match wagon too. Crane pre-ordered even though I thought myself lucky to have acquired an unbuilt kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 hour ago, tomparryharry said: Ah, but that was Bachmann. This is a company that started the 94xx at £81-odd. I'll warrant that you won't see that model (94xx) for much under £140. Cynic? Moi? No, just being pragmatic. Nonetheless, if it's a nice model crane, then I'll have one for the earlier stock. Ian. No, that was Hattons putting an "estimated" price on the 94XX before Bachmann announced a RRP for it. So far there has only been one RRP for the 94XX, which is £124.95. Back to the crane, the Hattons price is based on the Oxford RRP, so if the RRP doesn't change that is what you will pay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
truffy Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 39 minutes ago, Legend said: No . I think Rails have it at £19.75 rrp . Remember compared to the Bachmann one this is a small crane, a bit like the old Tri-ang one in size . At a tenth of the price of Bachmann not everything has to cost the earth you know . Actually, Rails have it at £16.50, as ever cheaper than Hattons. If it really does retail at that price, depending on the quality, it might be worth a punt to relivery into SR. But do I really need a crane? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 Clearly the principal appeal of this model is to folk who fancy building match wagons! 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
9402 Fredrick Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 I went ahead and pre-ordered the Stoke M.P.D one, it'll go great with the hattons genesis staff riding van and tool van. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 A further thought. As far as I can work out, this is the first piece of non-Brighton Victoriana to appear RTR since the Triang Caley single in 1963? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 21, 2020 1 minute ago, 9402 Fredrick said: I went ahead and pre-ordered the Stoke M.P.D one, it'll go great with the hattons genesis staff riding van and tool van. Ah, now, for a Midland / LMS example, tool and mess vans are another interesting topic... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted January 21, 2020 Share Posted January 21, 2020 Cranemans articles in Model Railways from about 1990 is to look out for. Seems like no two cranes were mated up with similar match trucks so at the same time, there's probably good method in Oxford rails reasoning. Seventeen quid. I'll take a dozen please. P 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2020 2 hours ago, jonhall said: I don't think the cab actually exists as a kit. Jon Is it not to be included in the Brassmasters detailing / conversion kit? (Or do you mean said kit is still after 5 years or so not on the market?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted January 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 21, 2020 At least building or modifying a wagon into a runner is fairly easy compared to the crane. Add the cradle which they evidently will supply and a few toolboxes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 3 hours ago, truffy said: Especially for less than 20 sovs! (I realise I'm not the only one thinking that there's a mistake, or upcoming 'price adjustment', there) It is a Mistake from what i have been told it will be more likely to be around £40.00 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 2 hours ago, The Fatadder said: Is it not to be included in the Brassmasters detailing / conversion kit? (Or do you mean said kit is still after 5 years or so not on the market?) No. Still not on the market. Last time I enquired it had switched from etch to 3D imaging. My D&S is still on the shelf with Brassmasters runner wagon awaiting the GWR conversion. Mike Wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Well I have a mostly built but shelved project (alright I ordered the wrong wheels and have yet to do another order with Alan Gibson) the NER version I was looking at I believe had a plate wagon as a runner. (Which again I have never got round to ordering) i think it should be straight forward to make a match truck from all the kits for wagons that ther is about to match your crane. I will probably buy one as I have a bit of a soft spot for the crane. Either way it is not really an expensive year yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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