RMweb Premium 2996 Victor Posted January 27, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2020 2 hours ago, ELTEL said: H Mark The weekend just gone (25th & 26th January) I was exhibiting my layout Camel Quay at Kendal Model Railways Exhibition One of the Trade stands was a specialist trader dealing in both Wrenn & Hornby The trader purchased a small collection of early Hornby 00 items which may be the type you are collecting. The trader will be at our STAFFORD exhibition this coming weekend. Hope it helps Terry Details of our exhibition can be found at www.staffordrailwaycircle.org.uk/exhibition Hi Terry, many thanks for the heads-up! The exhibition looks rather good, with some exceptional layouts. I'll certainly try to get there, although we have a prior family engagement. Best regards, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 A Montrose fitted with a Marklin 7164 skate.I use quite a few of these on different models. Ray. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtis Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 4 hours ago, sagaguy said: That's pretty expensive.£4.95 new from Gaugemaster, Marklin cat.no.7164.They are the ones I use. Ray. Hi ray last time I looked they didn’t have any In stock never thought about checking back will keep them in mind next time whats the postage cost Neil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 38 minutes ago, gtis said: Hi ray last time I looked they didn’t have any In stock never thought about checking back will keep them in mind next time whats the postage cost Neil About £2.50,I normally order about six at a time. Ray. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted January 27, 2020 Share Posted January 27, 2020 (edited) Gaugemaster do free delivery as an option... I have used it... Economy delivery Free. Standard delivery £2.50. Next Day delivery is £4.50. On small orders, under £15, there is an order handling charge. Currently £2.50. Need something in a hurry? We can offer you Next Business Day delivery for only £4.95. With free delivery on any order over £15.00 and free Next Business Day delivery on orders over £150.00, 7164 Skate...7 in stock just now... https://www.gaugemasterretail.com/magento/marklin-mn07164.html Edited January 27, 2020 by Sarahagain checked a few things... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2996 Victor Posted January 29, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2020 Just thought I'd post a few pics of my recent purchases: http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// http:// As I mentioned above, I'm really rather pleased with them! The two coal wagons and the meat van are, I would venture to say, nearly mint, while the bogie bolster has one or two tiny chips to its paintwork and the tube wagon has a few minor blemishes. Very happy! On another track (!), I hadn't even considered that body kits had been made to fit proprietary chassis like HD or Trix. Quite why I'd assumed that that cottage industry had sprung up in more recent times, I can't say. So it was a bit of an eye-opener when I stumbled across a Gaiety Models GWR 57xx Pannier Tank - this particular example is priced rather excessively, I've since discovered. Having found a few mentions here on RMWeb, I know it has its limitations, but I understand that generally-speaking its dimensionally quite accurate and I feel I might seek one out, either complete or as a body only. So, as far as keeping strictly to HD is concerned, it looks like I'm already wavering! As indeed David @Il Grifone suggested some time ago! All the best, Mark 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) That's a good collection. They need a bit of a clean and would be near perfect. I usually wash mine with a mild detergent and warm water and then dry with the hair dryer. You were lucky with the coal load This one is almost straight. I'd put it in the wagon with the worse interior. Apart from the load the wagons are identical. The Gaiety pannier is really an essential for any collection that isn't pure Dublo. It's better if you can get one with the original chassis (there is a 3 rail version) but it can be found with Dublo or Tri-ang chassis. a scale chassis is possible, but not likely seeing the shortcomings of the body. In my youth (when you could still get them new!), I considered the thing so ghastly that I refused to have one . This lasted until a schoolfriend offered one to me in the mid-sixties. She had acquired a Tri-ang chassis and her safety valve casing* had been replaced with a proper brass one. That and the price of 5/- meant she became mine.... *Easily the worst feature of a rather inferior model. Their N2 is rather better, but it does bear a striking resemblance to the Dublo version, even down to the number. Edited January 29, 2020 by Il Grifone 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolseley Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Il Grifone said: I usually wash mine with a mild detergent and warm water and then dry with the hair dryer. Just to be different, I use Mr Sheen, an aerosol furniture polish spray, containing silicones and waxes. As long as there aren't any bad scratches, it usually brings things up as good as new. Early on in the piece, I thought Windex might work well in removing dirt and stains, but discarded that idea when I found that, yes it did effectively remove dirt and stains but, unfortunately, it also sometimes (but not very often for some odd reason) removed paint. Jim 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2996 Victor Posted January 29, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Il Grifone said: That's a good collection. They need a bit of a clean and would be near perfect. I usually wash mine with a mild detergent and warm water and then dry with the hair dryer. You were lucky with the coal load This one is almost straight. I'd put it in the wagon with the worse interior. Apart from the load the wagons are identical. The Gaiety pannier is really an essential for any collection that isn't pure Dublo. It's better if you can get one with the original chassis (there is a 3 rail version) but it can be found with Dublo or Tri-ang chassis. a scale chassis is possible, but not likely seeing the shortcomings of the body. In my youth (when you could still get them new!), I considered the thing so ghastly that I refused to have one . This lasted until a schoolfriend offered one to me in the mid-sixties. She had acquired a Tri-ang chassis and her safety valve casing* had been replaced with a proper brass one. That and the price of 5/- meant she became mine.... *Easily the worst feature of a rather inferior model. Their N2 is rather better, but it does bear a striking resemblance to the Dublo version, even down to the number. Hi David, Thank you! I think I've really been quite lucky with those five - they all came from the same seller, whether they were his or he had acquired a collection I don't know, but they seem to have been well-looked-after. They should form a good nucleus for my collection. I really want to get to a swap meet or two now, and see what else is available! Thanks also for the suggestions re washing - they are a bit dirty! The coal load doesn't seem too bad for shrinkage/distortion, from what I've read, so I'll do as you suggest and put it with the open with the worse interior of the two. I was thinking also of trying to get some small pouches of silica gel to put in the boxes to absorb any atmospheric moisture; what do you think? As for the Gaiety Pannier, well it's certainly a thing "of its time", and as such I do rather like it! HD locomotives seem to be quite "crisp" in the finish of the castings - I can't work out whether the Gaiety JVM casting is also quite crisp and then appallingly painted (or over-painted with the passage of time) or whether its just the opposite. It would be nice to see one that has a good paint finish! The one in @bertiedog's thread (Gaiety GWR Pannier Restoration and build in P4) seems to be quite nicely cast (shame it wasn't completed). There also seem to have been several variations with different cab widths, and also different safety valve bonnets: one is appalling, and one is not so bad (unless it had already been replaced!). Kind regards, Mark Edited January 29, 2020 by 2996 Victor Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2996 Victor Posted January 29, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 29, 2020 51 minutes ago, Wolseley said: Just to be different, I use Mr Sheen, an aerosol furniture polish spray, containing silicones and waxes. As long as there aren't any bad scratches, it usually brings things up as good as new. Early on in the piece, I thought Windex might work well in removing dirt and stains, but discarded that idea when I found that, yes it did effectively remove dirt and stains but, unfortunately, it also sometimes (but not very often for some odd reason) removed paint. Jim Hi Jim, that's interesting - how good is it at lifting light dirt? I had considered Autoglym Resin Car Polish, which is very slightly cutting, and leaves a super shine when buffed, but was concerned about the litho printing. I suppose a trial on a beaten-up derelict could be a worthwhile exercise. I think I'll avoid the Windex, though..... All the best, Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) My favoured dirt-remover for old printed-tin is baby wipes, specifically non-scented, non-allergenic ones that I got in Waitrose. They lift dirt very effectively (good job, really!) and seem not to leave any grease/film behind, although I suspect they contain a smidgin of lanolin or synthetic equivalent. Mr Sheen, Pledge etc etc, are A Bad Idea IMO, because although they make things nice and shiny in the short term, there is a tendency for things polished with them to go very slightly sticky over time and actually accumulate dust. I think they leave behind a very thin layer of synthetic wax. What is interesting is how dirty some old tin things that look reasonably clean on first inspection actually are - pub ceiling affect. Edited January 29, 2020 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) Track usually leaves the bowl full of dirty water even if it seemed reasonable to start with. The Gaiety Pannier really can't make up it's mind what class it's supposed to be. The number is 5700*, but the model has a parallel chimney (rather too fat), cab roof whistle (I assume that is what the shapeless blob is supposed to be) and strangely shaped steps. I used to think it was more like a 2721 (from the chimney and whistle but the steps aren't right for that either so have to settle for a generic large pannier tank. One advantage of making it a 2721 is you can use Romford's 16mm driving wheels as they have 16 spokes. http://www.gwr.org.uk/nopanniers.html * I have one numbered 2780, but I think it must be a mod. done by a previous owner. Edited January 29, 2020 by Il Grifone 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) In an idle moment, I googled the contents of those baby wipes: INGREDIENTS: aqua, Glycerin, Cocamidopropyl PG-Dimonium Chloride Phosphate, Sodium Benzoate, Citric Acid, Sodium Citrate, Polyquaternium-7, Sodium Chloride, Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Tetrasodium EDTA, Chamomilla Recutita (Matricaria) Flower Extract, Potassium Sorbate. Mostly water, a bit of sugar, some preservatives, an anti- foaming agent, and aloe and chamomile to be nice to baby’s bum. To paraphrase: Because your trains are worth it. In theory, A bit of damp kitchen towel might do almost as well, but these things do work significantly better than that. Edited January 29, 2020 by Nearholmer 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagaguy Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 In January 1963,Hattons were offering 5700 pannier tanks on 2 & 3 rail chassis,3 rail loco was 57/6d & i think 2 rail was 52/6d.I suspect these had Gaiety bodies.They also offered a lot of Triang locos & the EMU to run on Dublo 3 rail.With todays spending power,dirt cheap but not so cheap at the time. Ray. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolseley Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) Speaking of the Gaiety N2, here's one that's on eBay at the moment. It does look slightly different from your average N2...... https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/RARE-GAIETY-JVM-CAST-B-R-BLACK-N2-CLASS-0-6-2-RN-46917-5-POLE-MOTOR-UNBOXED/283064900956?hash=item41e7fb9d5c:g:ffEAAOSw8fVbUb0p Edited January 30, 2020 by Wolseley correcting typo 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) It's quite easy to fit the chassis the wrong way round! The mountings front and back are the same - Maybe a chance of a bargain? (or not! I wrote that before following the link! I paid the odd £2.50 for mine* in her box, but it was the early seventies - I had missed a couple at 15/- each - shows when!) She's acquired a Trackmaster coupling at some time in her life. *She's 3 rail but the pickup exerts so much downward force that tractive effort is near zero. I tried to thin it down a bit but without much success. a Dublo chassis is probably the answer, but as I've said before there's little point. Hatton's offering was indeed the Gaiety pannier - that safety valve casing is unmistakeable! I found these two. The first is from our friend the Studebaker fancier and therefore overpriced* and the second shows how the chassis can be easily reversed. It's £10 price is about right/pushing it IMHO. Both appear to have been varnished. The Gaiety finish is matt. *You do get a free Tri-ang box. It could possibly have come from Hatton's - the body modifications for the Tri-ang chassis appear quite professional. Despite the description I think the paintwork is original, but varnished and probably the chassis is Tri-ang rather than Tri-ang-Hornby. I'm not sure how long it took to unload them all. https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/TRIANG-R52-GAIETY-KIT-BUILT-GW-GWR-0-6-0-CLASS-57XX-PANNIER-TANK-LOCO-5700-nq/332772614306?hash=item4d7acb20a2:g:UUQAAOSwNqFbeoaG https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Vintage-Gaiety-Models-JVM-OO-Gauge-Class-N2-Tank-Locomotive-No-46917-BR-Body/324053360584?_trkparms=aid%3D1110001%26algo%3DSPLICE.SIM%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D20160323102634%26meid%3Da76fd0dd13d44784969398890e07ea27%26pid%3D100623%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D283064900956%26itm%3D324053360584%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100623.m-1 Edited January 30, 2020 by Il Grifone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 I had forgotten this which has been doing the rounds for ages: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DIECAST-METAL-PANNIER-TANK-SOLD-AS-A-RESTORATION-PROJECT-SCROLL-DOWN-4-PHOTOS/151458812874?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 and this from the same seller (with whom I have no connection): https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DIECAST-METAL-GAIETY-0-4-0-SOLD-AS-A-RESTORATION-PROJECT-SCROLL-DOWN-4-PHOTOS/151458812877?_trkparms=aid%3D1110002%26algo%3DSPLICE.SOI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190711095549%26meid%3D8dafbc1add8d44e395f6742bed90ec1a%26pid%3D100047%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D151458812874%26itm%3D151458812877%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100047.m2108 The former is an early version of the pannier tank cast as two halves plus the smokebox door (missing on this example) and the second a cheap clear-out version. I have one of the first type in rather poor condition as the right hand side of the bunker got cooked at some time. Way back (mid-fifties), I bought one of the N2s in BHS in Plymouth for 3/6d while on holiday. Mine was a 2-4-0T but lacked the connecting rod IIRC (long time ago). When I got her home, I was very disappointed to find she would not go around Dublo curved track. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 2 hours ago, Il Grifone said: I had forgotten this which has been doing the rounds for ages: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DIECAST-METAL-PANNIER-TANK-SOLD-AS-A-RESTORATION-PROJECT-SCROLL-DOWN-4-PHOTOS/151458812874?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 and this from the same seller (with whom I have no connection): https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DIECAST-METAL-GAIETY-0-4-0-SOLD-AS-A-RESTORATION-PROJECT-SCROLL-DOWN-4-PHOTOS/151458812877?_trkparms=aid%3D1110002%26algo%3DSPLICE.SOI%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20190711095549%26meid%3D8dafbc1add8d44e395f6742bed90ec1a%26pid%3D100047%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D151458812874%26itm%3D151458812877%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2047675&_trksid=p2047675.c100047.m2108 The former is an early version of the pannier tank cast as two halves plus the smokebox door (missing on this example) and the second a cheap clear-out version. I have one of the first type in rather poor condition as the right hand side of the bunker got cooked at some time. Way back (mid-fifties), I bought one of the N2s in BHS in Plymouth for 3/6d while on holiday. Mine was a 2-4-0T but lacked the connecting rod IIRC (long time ago). When I got her home, I was very disappointed to find she would not go around Dublo curved track. Not surprised they've being doing the rounds for ages - give the guy first proze for optimism !! Regards, John Isherwood. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 The seller has loads of assorted jun 'collectible' die-cast vehicles etc. at prices I would describe as 'not Grifone friendly'. The last Gaiety Pannier* I bought (several years ago now) cost me a fiver complete with chassis. * In black BR livery. I believe this was an option (most are GWR green), but I think mine had been repainted. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 1E BoY Posted January 30, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2020 On 24/01/2020 at 21:15, Sarahagain said: Hi Mark. No photos of containers available on this device. I'll have to see about getting something sorted out... Both of the Oxford Diecast tractors fit ok on the HD low sided wagon. For variety, Oxford make models of several small tractors, including the Ferguson, and Field Marshal... Inspired by a picture in an old BRM of a train of new tractors leaving the David Brown factory I have been adding tractors to a number of Hornby Dublo flat wagons acquired over the years (all 2 rail or wheels changed to 2 rail). Whilst I have a couple of the original Dublo Dinky tractors, the rest of the train uses current Oxford types. Both types are shown here original Dublo Dinky on the left and Oxford on the right. The balsa wood chocks are currently being darkened by the use of wood dye. They are secured by elasticated cord. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) Lots of variations on the Dublo container here: https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNSnmtwMfQnjTc8lmwhfRvZljf8pVQ:1580419043615&q=DUBLO+CONTAINER&tbm=isch&source=univ&client=firefox-b-d&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjWhcPdn6znAhUIi1wKHTNpAAIQsAR6BAgJEAE&biw=1303&bih=666 Ignore the Lego. Google seems to think I meant Duplo and there isn't a 'NO' button to correct the misapprehension. Edited January 30, 2020 by Il Grifone 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) A slight diversion, which i trust that the OP, who appears loyal to three-rail, will forgive: Compatibility of HD 'nylon' two-rail wheels with current production (being made and sold today, typically Unifrog) Peco Code 100 points; discuss. Edited January 30, 2020 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 (edited) 13 hours ago, Il Grifone said: Quote <Snipped... You do get a free Tri-ang box. It could possibly have come from Hatton's - the body modifications for the Tri-ang chassis appear quite professional. Despite the description I think the paintwork is original, but varnished and probably the chassis is Tri-ang rather than Tri-ang-Hornby. I'm not sure how long it took to unload them all. <Snipped... The Tri-ang chassis dates from around 1963, at the earliest, as it has the large "S" indicating that the chassis could be fitted with a smoke unit, and the brass rivet couplings. In this case, it looks like the front of the chassis has been drilled and tapped to take the body screw in the front buffer beam, and two holes drilled in the rear of the bunker to take the prongs on the chassis. Edited January 30, 2020 by Sarahagain corrections 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruffnut Thorston Posted January 30, 2020 Share Posted January 30, 2020 RE: Tractors. I note the use of the grey wagon, formerly loaded with cable drums. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunningham Loco & Machine Works Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Well, I bit the bullet and bought myself a play-worn 4mt off the internet. Any idiosyncrasies I should know about regarding it and Dublo in general? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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