Simon60 Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 Can anyone make a comment on how accurate the Lima LMS GUV 37762 is? Is it a correct diagram? Does it share the same problems as the Dapol LMS Stove R? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Grifone Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 The BR MkI bogies need to go for a start. The rest seems OK, but I'll leave that to the LMS experts. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold sjp23480 Posted January 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2020 Simon, I think it has been said that the body dimensions are good, although the detailing and the windows are not up to current standards. I seem to remember that the ventilators also need changing to shell vents? The underframe is okay, but the bogies are totally wrong. Bachmann 9' LMS bogies are a good replacement. So, it can be made into a decent model with a few tweaks. Not sure what you meant when you referenced the Dapol Stove R? Steve 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mark Forrest Posted January 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 26, 2020 It's been a while since I did mine (although I have a couple more to do, at some point) but from memory the bogie pivots are too far apart. Possibly a result of them using a bogie with the wrong wheelbase, so when fitting the correct bogies you may need to address this. Wizard/51L do an etch to improve the brake gear. I used an ABS cast battery box, I think, I assume there is something suitable in the Comet range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 I upgraded the Lima GUV and, comparing it to drawings I have, it is accurate above the solebars. The underframe detail is somewhat rough. Here's my long winded account of the upgrade: John 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 26, 2020 Lima used the BR B1 bogie from their mk1 coaches as a generic bogie, incorrectly, on this as well as the GW Siphon G. On the Siphon, the pivots are in the correct position for replacement bogies and I’ve used Stafford Road/Shapeways Americans on mine. I’ll keep an eye on this thread as I’m interested in one of these GUVs myself if a decent one turns up on ‘Bay at a decent price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon60 Posted January 26, 2020 Author Share Posted January 26, 2020 Thank you all for the comments All helpful and I’ll give an upgrade a go Hope I’m not bidding against The Johnster on eBay Comment on the Stove R was just that at one stage I was tempted to get one and go through the upgrading but another thread put me off with the amount of work I gather there is a Comet models version but don’t know how that stacks up 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted January 26, 2020 Share Posted January 26, 2020 The Dapol StoveR was not great. Too many compromises and 3'1" wheels instead of 3'6". The central line on the LMS version was in the wrong place. So, yes, the amount of work to get it to work and to be accurate is great. I did do one and as I recall it runs on the club layout. I ended up building the Comet kit which turned out well. I no longer these, they were sold. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2020 At work so can't access my Bookmarks in Exact Editions but there is good article on updating the model in a back issue of BRM. I'll update the post with which month and year when I get home unless someone beats me to it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2020 18 hours ago, Simon60 said: Thank you all for the comments All helpful and I’ll give an upgrade a go Hope I’m not bidding against The Johnster on eBay Comment on the Stove R was just that at one stage I was tempted to get one and go through the upgrading but another thread put me off with the amount of work I gather there is a Comet models version but don’t know how that stacks up Not this week, Simon, and I usually restrict myself to ‘Buy It Now’ items... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 27, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 27, 2020 18 hours ago, Simon60 said: Thank you all for the comments All helpful and I’ll give an upgrade a go Hope I’m not bidding against The Johnster on eBay Comment on the Stove R was just that at one stage I was tempted to get one and go through the upgrading but another thread put me off with the amount of work I gather there is a Comet models version but don’t know how that stacks up Not this week, Simon, and I usually restrict myself to ‘Buy It Now’ items... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2020 On 27/01/2020 at 13:45, MikeParkin65 said: At work so can't access my Bookmarks in Exact Editions but there is good article on updating the model in a back issue of BRM. I'll update the post with which month and year when I get home unless someone beats me to it. July 2014 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iak Posted January 28, 2020 Share Posted January 28, 2020 There was an article by David Goodwin about upgrades for the Lima GUV years ago. They are part of the NPCS stock running on Mostyn. The magazine in question didn't last long publication wise. Mind, I can seek out a digital copy that is somewhere on a hard drive... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon60 Posted January 29, 2020 Author Share Posted January 29, 2020 Any information is a help but the upgrade won’t be imminent Purchase of the item plus acquiring parts is next step Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) My upgrade, when acquisition of a round tuit enables progress, will consist mostly of replacing the B1bogies, pizza cutter wheelsets, mushroom blob undersize buffers, and couplings. There isn’t a lot of handrail to worry about on this vehicle, and any underframe work will consist of replacing Lima’s plastic lumps with whatever is to hand in terms of vac cylinders, dynamo, and battery box. I don’t have a vehicle in LMS passenger livery, so this is an opportunity. Edited January 29, 2020 by The Johnster Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimbus Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 I recall an article in RM in the 1960's, part of a series by the LMS Society, dealing with this vehicle. The accompanying drawing was comprehensively dimensioned and I was quite impressed that the underframe transverse trussing was detailed. ISTR this was drawn by Arthur Whitehead as most of the series were. When I bought my Lima one on release and saw the unusually detailed transverse trussing, I surmised they'd acquired a copy of the same drawing. The NIm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted January 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2020 On 27/01/2020 at 16:43, The Johnster said: Not this week, Simon, and I usually restrict myself to ‘Buy It Now’ items... Back tracking; I’ve just bought an LMS liveried one on ‘Bay; hope it’s not one you were chasing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) Deleted Edited January 31, 2020 by brossard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2020 I didn't know any were fitted with gangways. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brossard Posted January 29, 2020 Share Posted January 29, 2020 Picked it up off a friend, amazing what some people get up to. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 29, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 29, 2020 (edited) On 29/01/2020 at 18:30, brossard said: Two things: First the thread I linked to contains all the information you will need to upgrade the GUV. Second, I have an unmodified model looking for a home. I'm in Canada so shipping may be an issue. I shipped a small packet to UK yesterday for 7 pounds. Those could be Hornby 8' 6" bogies. Also Kadees. John Mainline BG gangways have been added to the one in the photo. A GUV, by definition, has end doors/drop flap, correctly represented in the Lima model. The bogies are standard Lima and wrong, as fitted to almost every coach they offered bar the Mk3s. BTW, the Kadees have been fitted upside down.* The Lima models are fairly easy to obtain in the UK, Hatton's get one or two most weeks and the going price for a near perfect example is around £15. If you want a slightly rough one to work over, no more than a tenner. John * On second viewing, the Kadees are the right way up, but I mistook the vac pipe for the uncoupling tail, which has actually been cut off. Edited January 31, 2020 by Dunsignalling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon60 Posted January 30, 2020 Author Share Posted January 30, 2020 Thanks for the further info links and offers. About to go ahead on an eBay version in great condition. Will probably get going on upgrade given all the encouragement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 31, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2020 (edited) Here's one I did (much) earlier (1996 I think, but overhauled last year with its second set of Bachmann bogies. The new camera is unforgiving of my somewhat shanky weathering and I notice the wheels have yet to receive my usual application of Humbrol 98... Recipe is, Buffers and roof vents, Comet. glazing SEF, bogies Bachmann, wheels Gibson, couplers, Kadee in Keen CCUs, brake wheels Cambrian. My first attempt at what seemed (at the time) a fairly major bit of hacking. It's No.008 in my carriage register. Edited January 31, 2020 by Dunsignalling 7 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I'm sure I've got a kit for one of these somewhere. Westdale? One of those aluminium kits that I took one look at and put in the pile. The word basic is a bit generous. Bought for something like a fiver with a Stove R of similar crudity. ISTR the Stove R windows are wrong. I also got an inspection Saloon for the same price. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 7 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I'm sure I've got a kit for one of these somewhere. Westdale? One of those aluminium kits that I took one look at and put in the pile. The word basic is a bit generous. Bought for something like a fiver with a Stove R of similar crudity. ISTR the Stove R windows are wrong. I also got an inspection Saloon for the same price. Jason I wonder if the GUV and Stove were sold as a pair; I've got the two as well. 'Basic' would be an understatement... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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