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1 hour ago, woodenhead said:

It may upset the residents of Lime St and Elm St - the route is now a footpath by the river, a Lidl may also be very close to the route as well.  

 

However, it may be possible to reinstate it, though I doubt in reality the WCML at that far north would really ever want more routes to improve capacity, it's not that big an alternative and it may be simpler to remodel Carlisle station itself for through freight on the west side of the station than re-open a bit of curvy railway that would also need to be electrified.

 

 

The route was electrified before.

It was the demise of an electrically hauled freight in 1984 that caused the demise of the goods lines, when the couplings broke decending towards Carlisle from the south.

A quick witted signaller (Bill Taylor) realised what had happened and changed the route behind the leading half of the train, which was signallled into the station and diverted the rear section around the freight line.

By the time it got to the River Caldew it was travelling too fast for the curve, derailed and ended up demolishing the bridge and the OHLE.

The line was promptly closed.

 

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18 hours ago, The Border Reiver said:

 

There are plans to add a new platform 0 at the west end of the station near the wall

 

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The new platform 0 would replace bay 2 so only needs to be short. What would be more significant and not mentioned in the above diagram is the connecting through of bays 5/6 with 7/8. They also seem to have squeezed in two more tracks between 3 and 4, it's not clear how this could be done.

The main bottleneck on the WCML is the two tracks north of Wigan, what is needed is the equivalent of the closed Whelley line to Boars Head junction.

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2 hours ago, Michael Edge said:

The new platform 0 would replace bay 2 so only needs to be short. What would be more significant and not mentioned in the above diagram is the connecting through of bays 5/6 with 7/8. They also seem to have squeezed in two more tracks between 3 and 4, it's not clear how this could be done.

The main bottleneck on the WCML is the two tracks north of Wigan, what is needed is the equivalent of the closed Whelley line to Boars Head junction.

Ref.....the connecting through of bays 5/6 with 7/8...... Us lot  in Carlisle think this was an error on the map as the footbridge seems to be in the middle of the tracks

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21 hours ago, The Border Reiver said:

Ref.....the connecting through of bays 5/6 with 7/8...... Us lot  in Carlisle think this was an error on the map as the footbridge seems to be in the middle of the tracks

The whole diagram is a mess as tracks appear to go under platforms as well.

Very sloppily done IMHO.

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15 hours ago, lmsforever said:

Went past the works outside Aylesbury on the A418 to Stone   more concrete has been laid on the left hand side still not sure if its going to be a bridge base. 

It could possibly for the haul road as temporary bridges are going up for that in other places.

 

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Not much happening outside Stoke Mandeville  you can see the haul road but no  sign of much else ,lokks busy beside the Wendover bypass .The last mentioned is supposed to be a bridge panel manufacturing site for a while dont know how the protestor evictions are going but hope all done.I am looking forward to the real construction starting and am waiting for the complaints in the local paper !!!

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2 hours ago, woodenhead said:

Why does it look like they are building a lair for an arch villain, it looks like they are fitting underfloor heating in those images?

 

It's not really HS2, that's just photos from the next series of Grand Designs.

 

 

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6 hours ago, Ron Ron Ron said:

After a few months of leaks and speculation, the Sunday Telegraph reports that the cancellation of the eastern leg of HS2, will be officially announced this week.

 

 

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Indeed and this from yesterday's Observer:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/14/government-to-finally-drop-plan-for-hs2-link-to-leeds-reports

 

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7 hours ago, Ron Ron Ron said:

After a few months of leaks and speculation, the Sunday Telegraph reports that the cancellation of the eastern leg of HS2, will be officially announced this week..

 

The Sunday Times was describing a high speed line as far as East Midlands Parkway and another south from Leeds towards Sheffield.  Unless I'm missing something then it seems to me therefore that "scrapping the Eastern leg" isn't entirely accurate; more that it has been divided into three parts and the middle one is not being built.  However there is no obvious reason why the missing bit could not be added later if the case stacks up. 

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If the Guardian is to be believed, the eastern branch of HS2 will only reach East Midlands Parkway - thus missing Leicester, something even the GCR didn't manage to do. Of course Stoke on Trent and Leicester neither need nor deserve the benefit of new train services, but at least Stoke has electric trains, something Leicester can only dream of.

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HS2 was never going to serve Leicester anyway, even before the revised plans. It does already have the best service to London of anywhere in the East Midlands. 

 

1 hour ago, DY444 said:

The Sunday Times was describing a high speed line as far as East Midlands Parkway and another south from Leeds towards Sheffield.  Unless I'm missing something then it seems to me therefore that "scrapping the Eastern leg" isn't entirely accurate; more that it has been divided into three parts and the middle one is not being built.  However there is no obvious reason why the missing bit could not be added later if the case stacks up. 

So scrapping HS2 phase 2b 'apart from some short spurs to connect with existing lines'?

 

Presumably they are relying on the anti-HS2 campaigners to not understand the geography of places outside the Home Counties or be able to read maps, which is probably quite an astute bit of judgement on the Government's part.... 

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North of Hatfield? That is wear they wear woad isn't it?

Yes, you are probably right about the geographical knowledge of many of the protesters, though they did find Buckinghamshire - but if course these days that goes quite a long way south.

Yes, in a way pretty neat. Build the end bits of the Eastern Leg, then it will not be too difficult in the future to fill in the gap, and HS2 trains can get to Leeds and beyond, even if not as fast as one might like.

Reading another thread, there seem to be several plans for "infill" of unwired sections already.

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Would the eastern leg have fared better if it had been branded as HS3 with the emphasis on improving transport links between Leeds and Birmingham? It seems to me that local politicians are more receptive of HS2 than those in the Chilterns. Branding the eastern leg as HS3 could have insulated it from some of the general broader anti-HS2 sentiment, which mostly seems to originate in the Home Counties. It would also increase the political costs of cancelling the eastern leg/HS3 for a government which wants to be seen 'leveling up', although of course HS2 pre-dates that particular slogan by many years. For clarity, I am only wondering whether it would have been better to separate the branding - operationally the two lines should of course be integrated. There might have been secondary benefits to the separation if Birmingham-Manchester was then seen as part of the 'main line' of HS2, rather than a 'leg' or a 'branch' which might imply that it is of lesser importance than the London-Birmingham route.

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