RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted January 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2021 25 minutes ago, adb968008 said: Oh thats not too bad, several models have issues around lights.. Hattons 66, 156 they arent perfect when it comes to lights. But the issue is that you don't get the RSSB triangle of lights. Loco would be a failure and not allowed to run... Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarr40 Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Are there any updates on when we are likely to see the Class 20’s arriving? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) On 30/01/2021 at 14:06, Roy Langridge said: But the issue is that you don't get the RSSB triangle of lights. Loco would be a failure and not allowed to run... Roy so this one is a failure ? On 30/01/2021 at 01:44, adb968008 said: Mine are never going to run nose first, so those lights dont matter. indeed my cunning plan is to remove some of the lights ! ;-) well in reality 1 of them was, hence there was only two of em on the day, but it was nothing to do with lights. ;-) Edited May 16, 2021 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted January 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, adb968008 said: so this one is a failure ? well in reality 1 of them was, hence there was only two of em on the day, but it was nothing to do with lights. ;-) No, and I know that you know that. Roy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) On 30/01/2021 at 14:21, Roy Langridge said: No, and I know that you know that. Roy I know, because it left York, with the lights looking like this... :-) Edited May 16, 2021 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted January 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, adb968008 said: I know, because it left York, with the lights looking like this... :-) Should not run like that. Where the three lights are fitted, RSSB standards dictate that: "Day time running (1 or 2 ‘Full beam’ head lamps, with a total of 3 white front end lights in a triangle arrangement as defined in the OPE TSI, the remainder being marker lamps)." My highlight. Roy Edited January 30, 2021 by Roy Langridge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, adb968008 said: Class 20/3 is a sub model This model is supposedly new from the ground up. I'm not talking sub classes, I am talking tooling variations vs tooling specifically based on one thing. In the case of the bug eye H66s, they screwed up. In the case of the RT156, it was going to have to be a tooling mod to do a particular light cluster correctly. Again, not all RT156s have this issue. Edited January 30, 2021 by TomScrut 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 I’ve been deliberating for weeks over DRS 37’s or DRS 20’s as I cannot justify or afford multiples of both. Having just spent a lot of time and effort getting a Hatton’s 66 to run reliably with the correct lighting configuration I will now be buying a couple of accurate DRS 37’s. These 20’s could have been definitive models for just a little bit more effort and an acceptable higher cost. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iskra Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Martin_R said: I’ve been deliberating for weeks over DRS 37’s or DRS 20’s as I cannot justify or afford multiples of both. Having just spent a lot of time and effort getting a Hatton’s 66 to run reliably with the correct lighting configuration I will now be buying a couple of accurate DRS 37’s. These 20’s could have been definitive models for just a little bit more effort and an acceptable higher cost. I’ve gone for one DRS 37 and one 20. Best of both worlds and a prototypical combination, although more so in the earlier DRS days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted January 30, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Roy Langridge said: Should not run like that. Where the three lights are fitted, RSSB standards dictate that: "Day time running (1 or 2 ‘Full beam’ head lamps, with a total of 3 white front end lights in a triangle arrangement as defined in the OPE TSI, the remainder being marker lamps)." My highlight. Roy they must have been applying rule 1. Edited January 30, 2021 by adb968008 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, Iskra said: I’ve gone for one DRS 37 and one 20. Best of both worlds and a prototypical combination, although more so in the earlier DRS days. This is what I'm also likely to do, and if the 20 is tucked inside I won't even need to worry about the lights! Edited January 30, 2021 by SouthernMafia 6 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrains29 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) I can't understand their reasoning for the lack of marker lights at the cab end. They state it is to "provide a product with consistant spec". In other word because they are unable to put them in the nose, they are going to make the cab end look bad too! It makes no sense especially as the locos usually run cab end first anyway. At £164.95 rrp it is at a similar price point to the larger and (by the looks of it) far superior Accurascale class 37 at £169.99 rrp. The 37 will come with a whole suite of lighting capabilities including fully functioning headlights, WIPACs, cab lights and even illuminated engine bay and drivers console! There is no excuse for Bachmann to have painted-on marker lights in this day and age especially for a model at such a price. I hope with the recent disquiet they redesign future models to include (at least) the cab marker lights. Edited January 31, 2021 by scottrains29 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Never say what you can say in two lines if you can use 25 ... ” too complicated, too costly ....reduced sales margin too much “. I’m surprised he couldn’t get “ robustly “ in there. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 10 hours ago, scottrains29 said: There is no excuse for Bachmann to have painted-on marker lights Marker lights aren't painted on, they are clear plastic. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
letterspider Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Transparent marker lights - Bachmann why are you teasing us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted January 31, 2021 Moderators Share Posted January 31, 2021 20 hours ago, scottrains29 said: painted-on marker lights They're not painted on, they're just not lit. 20 hours ago, scottrains29 said: outrage Please, get a grip or I'll be going round everyone's layouts issuing fines for inaccuracies, inconsistencies and ineptitude in modelling. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 30 minutes ago, AY Mod said: Please, get a grip or I'll be going round everyone's layouts issuing fines for inaccuracies, inconsistencies and ineptitude in modelling. It's OK for me, I'm doing 20303 and sticking it in a siding with no lights on like the prototype lol Edited January 31, 2021 by 25901 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Bendall Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 31 minutes ago, 25901 said: It's OK for me, I'm doing 20303 and sticking it in a siding with no lights on like the prototype lol Ah but that will be wrong in several areas then as the two batches have a number of differences 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrains29 Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 11 hours ago, Simon Bendall said: Marker lights aren't painted on, they are clear plastic. Thanks, that is slightly better. I assumed they would be painted on as with their 66. Hopefully it won't be too hard to add SMD LEDs. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erixtar1992 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 As i said in my email to Bachmann, if various modellers creating a 20/3 can manage the marker lights, why cant you? i got no reply.... Haha! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 hours ago, Erixtar1992 said: As i said in my email to Bachmann, if various modellers creating a 20/3 can manage the marker lights, why cant you? i got no reply.... Haha! Its in the message via Andy, its OK to say that a few individuals have done it with their own methods and quality, but Bachmann need to ensure what they do is able to be mass produced on a scale of thousands and will work consistently. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanspareil Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Some retailers are saying these are due out today? Any further news folks as we know some of these dates are often just pie in the sky (especially now with all the port issues at the moment)? On the more than disappointing lights issue i think we will have to wait for someone to get their hands on one and a) see how we can get in the cab/see how its all hooked up then b) see whats involved to correct the situation. I guess its possible one of the electronics manufacturers might make a retro fit light kit for the cab end if its an easy mod (there will be demand for sure). Just a shame on a £165 loco we still have to correct basic omissions. Edited February 1, 2021 by sanspareil 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernMafia Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 40 minutes ago, sanspareil said: Some retailers are saying these are due out today? Any further news folks as we know some of these dates are often just pie in the sky (especially now with all the port issues at the moment)? On the more than disappointing lights issue i think we will have to wait for someone to get their hands on one and a) see how we can get in the cab/see how its all hooked up then b) see whats involved to correct the situation. I guess its possible one of the electronics manufacturers might make a retro fit light kit for the cab end if its an easy mod (there will be demand for sure). Just a shame on a £165 loco we still have to correct basic omissions. I've noticed that new things appear on eBay a day or two before the big box shifters get them, so when you see them on eBay that's a pretty good indication they are here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted February 1, 2021 Moderators Share Posted February 1, 2021 12 hours ago, Erixtar1992 said: As i said in my email to Bachmann, if various modellers creating a 20/3 can manage the marker lights, why cant you? i got no reply.... And what date and time did you send your email in? Be careful, I know the answer. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul.Uni Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 47 minutes ago, sanspareil said: Some retailers are saying these are due out today? The Bachmann website says Mar/Apr for 35-125 & 35-126 and Feb/Mar for 35-127 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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