TRAILRAGE Posted April 8, 2021 Share Posted April 8, 2021 Had an email from Rails today saying my 20306 has been shipped. Good times Cheers Trailrage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 16 hours ago, Markn said: The original DRS livery certainly seem to be popular. Phoned up to pay for mine earlier, and they said out of 16 that came in, there were 2 spares. Picking it up tomorrow, can't wait. Certainly looks to be proving that the privatisation scene now must be incredibly popular compared to other periods that have long since been the measure of choice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted April 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2021 2 hours ago, The Black Hat said: Certainly looks to be proving that the privatisation scene now must be incredibly popular compared to other periods that have long since been the measure of choice. I’ve long thought the late ‘90s-early ‘00s is our equivalent of the past generation’s 1960s BR steam/diesel transition era - that sweet spot when the last great bits of crumbling BR were mingling alongside the first fruits of the exciting and colourful privatised network - a very interesting and diverse few years! I’m also finding it increasingly hard to resist a pair of early DRS 20s, I never saw any, nor found any evidence that they strayed far south to Didcot in the late 90s and am kinda hoping they’ll sell out before temptation gets the better of me Cheers, James 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted April 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) My DRS Early pair arrived today. Last week I posted about a strange noise exhibited by one of my DRS 20’s when on a Gaugemaster controller. It was odd as one wasnt noisy, when tested against a Gaugemaster, Piko and 9V Battery... but the other was exclusively noisy on a Gaugemaster. My DRS old style pair today from Kernow gave me exactly the same issue... 1 good, 1 noisy... I reached out to Gaugemaster, and Bachmann. Gaugemaster called me today and confirmed they are safe with coreless, but were a bit puzzled at the video and were not able to recreate it with a shop stock 20/3 they had. Following the conversation, and having confirmed its safe for coreless I decided to probe deeper, and ultimately diagnosed it. Aiui ultimately the issue is with the wave signal.. the 9v is a smooth wave, the Gaugemaster controller has a wave form that enhances motor behaviour (note this is explicitly not Feedback, which is not safe for coreless). The wave causes harmless vibration. Armed with this tidbit, I took the body off and discovered the motor is smaller than the cavity that holds it, and although screwed down.. it vibrates. video here i found this video from @mikesndbs to be particularly educational in helping me understand... Bachmann unusually did not return my mail from last week. The solution ultimately is a small piece of folded paper inserted between motor and cavity ! Safe to start renumbering now. I hope others find this useful. Edited April 9, 2021 by adb968008 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Ncarter2 Posted April 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 9, 2021 I now have one of each, however, I am very tempted to get another of the original and sell on my compass version. Always been a fan of the original livery, and now I have the 33’s I am very torn. I guess I could always just get the third and convert one in to 20301 or 20305, that was the first DRS pair I ever saw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 For those interested in sound, there a 'Offer' on at the moment on the Class 20/3 ESU Legomanbiffo sounds, see: https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=253_68&product_id=1927 Happy Modelling. Charlie 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 15 hours ago, adb968008 said: My DRS Early pair arrived today. Last week I posted about a strange noise exhibited by one of my DRS 20’s when on a Gaugemaster controller. It was odd as one wasnt noisy, when tested against a Gaugemaster, Piko and 9V Battery... but the other was exclusively noisy on a Gaugemaster. My DRS old style pair today from Kernow gave me exactly the same issue... 1 good, 1 noisy... I reached out to Gaugemaster, and Bachmann. Gaugemaster called me today and confirmed they are safe with coreless, but were a bit puzzled at the video and were not able to recreate it with a shop stock 20/3 they had. Following the conversation, and having confirmed its safe for coreless I decided to probe deeper, and ultimately diagnosed it. Aiui ultimately the issue is with the wave signal.. the 9v is a smooth wave, the Gaugemaster controller has a wave form that enhances motor behaviour (note this is explicitly not Feedback, which is not safe for coreless). The wave causes harmless vibration. Armed with this tidbit, I took the body off and discovered the motor is smaller than the cavity that holds it, and although screwed down.. it vibrates. video here i found this video from @mikesndbs to be particularly educational in helping me understand... Bachmann unusually did not return my mail from last week. The solution ultimately is a small piece of folded paper inserted between motor and cavity ! Safe to start renumbering now. I hope others find this useful. Good you got to the bottom of this issue. My only thought reading this is is there not a risk the motor heats up and the paper ignite? Would a piece of plastic or brass be a safer option? I know some of my locos do get quite warm in service and would imagine around the motor quite hot? M 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
97403_Ixion Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 15 hours ago, adb968008 said: My DRS Early pair arrived today. ... video here ... The solution ultimately is a small piece of folded paper inserted between motor and cavity ! Hi adb968008, That's a helpful video. I don't know if my model makes a noise or not but the video you put together was first class in my view... assessed what the problem was, determined a solution, tried a 'proof of concept' and then put it in place, all clearly presented. Regarding the concern about igniting paper - I guess it's possible, though probably not likely. However, if kapton tape is folded back over itself to build up a tab of the appropriate thickness that should also work and probably be less risk (if there is a concern). However, I would also imagine that by pushing the paper in, the barrel of the motor contacts the chassis better on the opposite side, allowing better heat transfer to the chassis, keeping the motor slightly cooler. Either way, glad it got sorted for you and thanks for sharing it! Ixion. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hastings Thumper Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 18 hours ago, adb968008 said: My DRS Early pair arrived today. Last week I posted about a strange noise exhibited by one of my DRS 20’s when on a Gaugemaster controller. It was odd as one wasnt noisy, when tested against a Gaugemaster, Piko and 9V Battery... but the other was exclusively noisy on a Gaugemaster. My DRS old style pair today from Kernow gave me exactly the same issue... 1 good, 1 noisy... I reached out to Gaugemaster, and Bachmann. Gaugemaster called me today and confirmed they are safe with coreless, but were a bit puzzled at the video and were not able to recreate it with a shop stock 20/3 they had. Following the conversation, and having confirmed its safe for coreless I decided to probe deeper, and ultimately diagnosed it. Aiui ultimately the issue is with the wave signal.. the 9v is a smooth wave, the Gaugemaster controller has a wave form that enhances motor behaviour (note this is explicitly not Feedback, which is not safe for coreless). The wave causes harmless vibration. Armed with this tidbit, I took the body off and discovered the motor is smaller than the cavity that holds it, and although screwed down.. it vibrates. video here i found this video from @mikesndbs to be particularly educational in helping me understand... Bachmann unusually did not return my mail from last week. The solution ultimately is a small piece of folded paper inserted between motor and cavity ! Safe to start renumbering now. I hope others find this useful. Thanks for posting this. I had exactly the same issue with my 20306 which arrived this morning. After a few mins of trial and error with the thickness of the folded paper, it was all sorted and is now an almost silent runner. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 My 20306 arrived today. Ran it in 30 mins in each direction. No rattle or distortion sounds. Guagemaster Model W controller is fine with these. Cheers Trailrage Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 10, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Matt said: Good you got to the bottom of this issue. My only thought reading this is is there not a risk the motor heats up and the paper ignite? Would a piece of plastic or brass be a safer option? I know some of my locos do get quite warm in service and would imagine around the motor quite hot? M The ignition temperature of paper is over 200 degC. I think the body would melt long before that! To put "warm" locos into perspective. Hot to touch is often quoted as 60 Deg C 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lochnagar Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Totally random comment but If anyone has a DRS Compass model going spare please drop me a line.. I'm one short of a pair! Sound or non sound. Can't find one for sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted April 10, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Lochnagar said: Totally random comment but If anyone has a DRS Compass model going spare please drop me a line.. I'm one short of a pair! Sound or non sound. Can't find one for sale. guy on Twitter selling a pair I have bought from him in the past without issue, he works for GWR on the platform 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazil31 Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Thank you Charlie for the heads up just ordered a chip. Will order a second when funds allow Baz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted April 11, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 11, 2021 12 hours ago, Lochnagar said: Totally random comment but If anyone has a DRS Compass model going spare please drop me a line.. I'm one short of a pair! Sound or non sound. Can't find one for sale. Wife says the same about me everyday. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lochnagar Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 13 hours ago, big jim said: guy on Twitter selling a pair I have bought from him in the past without issue, he works for GWR on the platform Thanks Jim, I've dropped him a message. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmeon Posted April 11, 2021 Share Posted April 11, 2021 Just to know, is there anyone who have ordered a DRS compass 20 from KMS Railtech and have received it? I've ordered mine there but still no news about the delivery... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eden Road TMD Posted April 12, 2021 Author Share Posted April 12, 2021 12 hours ago, Elmeon said: Just to know, is there anyone who have ordered a DRS compass 20 from KMS Railtech and have received it? I've ordered mine there but still no news about the delivery... I got a message from them the other day, they are due imminently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmeon Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 52 minutes ago, Eden Road TMD said: I got a message from them the other day, they are due imminently. Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris56057 Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 Does anyone know what sound chip is fitted to the factory sound releases please? Is it a V5 or one of the Loksound ones that can't be reblown? Thanks, Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted April 12, 2021 Share Posted April 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Chris56057 said: Does anyone know what sound chip is fitted to the factory sound releases please? Is it a V5 or one of the Loksound ones that can't be reblown? Thanks, Chris Believe it to be a Zimo MX645P22. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 On 12/04/2021 at 18:24, Martin_R said: Believe it to be a Zimo MX645P22. The will be on Zimo, but the total price is a more expensive option than this ESU option: https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=253_66&product_id=106 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, charliepetty said: The will be on Zimo, but the total price is a more expensive option than this ESU option: Only if compared to rrp. Here, for instance, the Bachmann factory fitted sound works out cheaper. https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/70457/35-126SF-WSL-Bachmann-Class-20-3-20311-Harry-Needle-Railroad or for even less, https://www.themodelcentre.com/35-125sf Best regards, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, pauliebanger said: Only if compared to rrp. Here, for instance, the Bachmann factory fitted sound works out cheaper. https://www.kernowmodelrailcentre.com/p/70457/35-126SF-WSL-Bachmann-Class-20-3-20311-Harry-Needle-Railroad or for even less, https://www.themodelcentre.com/35-125sf Best regards, Paul The price difference seems to be due to Bachmann increasing the rrp of the Harry Needle versions as the dcc ready versions were released, but not the DRS original blue versions, even though the dcc ready versions of both liveries, were released at the same time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charliepetty Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 The Legomanbiffo ESU Sound fitted ones are in stock and ready to go, so anyone who dos'nt want to wait then here is your opportunity, limited stock of 40 only, Charlie https://www.dckits-devideos.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=253_66&product_id=106 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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