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LMS D1927 3 plank wagon kits?

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Hi folks.

Does anyone know if a kit, in plastic or brass (or whitemetal!) is available for one of these wagons? I haven't been able to find one, and wanted to be sure I'd asked before I buy a Parkside kit just for an underframe and solebars to use.

Thanksmuch!

Amanda

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ABS did a cast white metal one but you dont see them that often - I sold one on eBay about a month ago.

 

 

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There's this:  https://slatersplastikard.com/linePage.php?code=7029

 

Not the D1927 though.  I built this for a friend but missed the door bangers, see below.

 

Here's the MR wagon (D818) in 1969:  https://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/lms3plankopen

 

I hope someone comes through on this, I wouldn't mind one myself.

 

John

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Page 181 on here might be of interest. I bought this wagon, which was a favourite of mine, as a momento when the railway was sold on.

 

 

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That is a gorgeous example of scratch building right there. I like the idea of using brass channel for the solebars and headstocks. I do wonder what " hip" is? It says the body is made from "hip"?

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I wonder if I can find one of those abs kits. Probably right after I scratch build one!

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31 minutes ago, WM183 said:

I do wonder what " hip" is? It says the body is made from "hip"?

I dont know what hip means either but its made of plasticard.

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Thanks Hal. I am drawing up a list of brass and styrene to use to build one, and figured I'd just use plasticard for the sides and floor!

Amanda

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What's the difference between the MR d.818 and the LMS d.1927?

 

I do an etched 4mm kit for 818 and it could be redrawn for 7mm, but given time I would prefer to re do both as 3D prints. 

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1 hour ago, Hal Nail said:

I dont know what hip means either but its made of plasticard.

High Impact Polystyrene, otherwise known, in its sheet form, as plasticard.

 

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On 17/02/2020 at 09:19, billbedford said:

What's the difference between the MR d.818 and the LMS d.1927?

 

I do an etched 4mm kit for 818 and it could be redrawn for 7mm, but given time I would prefer to re do both as 3D prints. 

Looks like the MR ones in the links above have wooden underframe and solid buffer beams compared to the later one, plus the earlier version lacks the additional framing at each corner, on the ends.

 

The 1927 is 10' wheelbase and I'm guessing the older one might be 9' with a proportionally shorter body but hard to tell from the photos.

 

The 818 looks a lot older for want of a better description!

 

 

 

 

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Luckily I also own a copy of Official Drawings of LMS Wagons vol 1 and have formed a plan to build one. A set of ABS clasp brake parts, some brass channel and strip, Bill Bedford etched W irons, and various bits of Evergreen plastic and brass/nickel silver wire should get me off to a good start.

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6 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

Didn't Ratio do one of these?

Maybe a narrow gauge one!

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7 hours ago, brossard said:

Watching with interest.

 

John

 

Well it will be however long it takes for bits to arrive I'm the post, but I'll update once I've begun!

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7 hours ago, PenrithBeacon said:

Didn't Ratio do one of these?

 

In 4mm, indeed!  I've got one on a Rumney chassis and it's a nice model. You'd think being rather common Peco or Parkside would make a kit for it. LMS had something like 11,000 of them!

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1 hour ago, WM183 said:

 

Well it will be however long it takes for bits to arrive I'm the post, but I'll update once I've begun!

 

I'm wondering if you are exclusively a kit builder or open to RTR as well.  Dapol did a couple of very nice BR 5 plank opens, fitted and unfitted.

 

John

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I am not averse to a good rtr model, though most rtr, even in 0 gauge, has chunky looking brakes and so on. By far my favorite part of the hobby is building and painting and detailing wagons, however (and collecting books about them, hehe) so if I have the choice will tend to always choose a kit.

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Ah, OK.  I think Dapols RTR are mostly excellent, although you have to be careful.  Those models produced prior to the merger with Lionheart were not good, eg; 1st gen. PO wagons and Milk tanks.  I think later PO wagons, what I would call 2nd gen, have the Lionheart features (compensation, pinpoint bearings and diecast underframe).

 

We are a long way from the choice of RTR available in 4mm so, for most of our stock it has to be kits.  Pricewise, RTR and kits are roughly the same.  I will buy good RTR if the wagon I want is available, since time is something that is valuable.  Even good RTR still won't have the level of detail I want but I don't have a problem adding that.

 

I do have an extensive library of books.  I like the more technical books (like Essery's LMS Wagon Drawings), picture books are fine but finding the relevant pic is a pain.

 

Cheers

 

John

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I've amassed quite a library of wagon books so far, and plan to keep adding as often as I can. Between Essery's The LMS Wagon, the Atkins et al GWR "bible", the Tatlow LNER wagon book, and Rowland's "British Railway Wagons" though, plus the pair of Essery's LMS Diagram books, 95% of the time I can find what I need. The gap for me atm is the Southern... vol 4 of that Southern series is always a bit pricey!

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My 4mm railway was LMS so I have pretty much all the requisite books for that.  In 7mm, I have branched out a bit to LNER, GWR (because my friend does that, but he has lent me all the books) and a little bit of Southern.  I did this because the dearth of RTR locos means that it is difficult to be a purist.  1962 BR means you can mix and match to your hearts content.

 

Another thing is that if I need help with detail (I am an underframe nut), queries here have always turned up the info I need.  Paul Bartlett's collection is great for pictures of wagons even if the 1980s condition is not representative.  Be a bit careful with preserved wagons, they may have been modified in life so their final condition may not be accurate.

 

John

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17 hours ago, WM183 said:

 

In 4mm, indeed!  I've got one on a Rumney chassis and it's a nice model. You'd think being rather common Peco or Parkside would make a kit for it. LMS had something like 11,000 of them!

Yep, sorry, I hadn't noticed this was a 7mm thread!

Cheers

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9 hours ago, brossard said:

Just browsing MM1 and found this:

 

https://mm1models.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=108_112&product_id=522

 

It is North Staffs Ry from the description.

 

It is showing "Out of Stock" so you will need to inquire.

 

John

 

Oh, that's a rather neat wagon. I'll contact them and ask if it is available at all. I wonder if any made it to 1953 or so?

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