KR Models Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Colin_McLeod said: I'l try to explain using made up numbers to illustrate a point. Breakeven point to make the wagon viable is (say) 1,000 models sold. 800 customers express their interest. Unknown to KR Models, 200 of these customers want 2 wagons and a further 100 customers want 3 wagons. Total number of wagons 1,200 well above the break even point, but remember KR Models dont know this as they are only counting customers. KR Models make a decision not to proceed as they did not get the 'necessary' 1,000 expressions of interest. Result; Model not made, 800 disappointed people; profit from a run of 1,200 wagons missed. Keith, you have explained the reasoning behind your expression of interest format but I urge you to instead reconsider the format. Let me explain how we are going with the same numbers. If 800 customers express interest, to us that looks like we are going to be making roughly 1200 models, give or take a few. We know most people will want to order 2, 3 or even 4 models from us. And we have accounted for that. We have also factored in the 20%ish of people that will remove their expression, or not place an order despite signing up for the expression. If we can hit our target figure of customers, factoring in the above, then the model will be made. If we deem it a risk worth taking, then why shouldn't we. 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 96701 Posted February 28, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 28, 2020 I have no idea how making models for other people works, so I'm just leaving it up to KR Models to work it out. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Harbour Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 Sincerely hoping that it gets close to the target number of customers to make it viable, whatever that number may be! 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
branchie Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 I'm interested but not willing to fill out an EOI form yet 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted March 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2020 42 minutes ago, branchie said: I'm interested but not willing to fill out an EOI form yet Just a wee bit interested then. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KR Models Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 44 minutes ago, branchie said: I'm interested but not willing to fill out an EOI form yet The EOI shows that interest, we aren't asking for any monetary commitment right now. We just want to see who will buy if we make it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rorz101uk Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Would love one in OO gauge, don’t think Hornby would ever re-release there shark to 1950/60s era L! Would sell like hot cakes! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Matt C Posted March 6, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 6, 2020 Just seen this Article in the World of Railways https://www.world-of-railways.co.uk/news/kr-models-resurrects-king-and-shark-for-n-gauge?utm_source=Communicator&utm_medium=Email&utm_content=buttonLink144&utm_campaign=New+announcements+from+Dapol%2c+Sonic+and+KR+Models&_ccCt=vCks4bmNlxDL2mL6JHvq48NQqzJUQHtTbLRPp5JHK4EA_jKxVDJpDc~gqpRqXqVn Is the embargo lifted now Andy ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted March 6, 2020 Moderators Share Posted March 6, 2020 22 minutes ago, Mattc6911 said: Is the embargo lifted now Andy ? Yeah, I ceased being too bothered once the ad in Model Rail broke it. 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 On 07/03/2020 at 00:33, AY Mod said: Yeah, I ceased being too bothered once the ad in Model Rail broke it. So it's an ex-embargo? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richp1976 Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Anybody heard anything further about this one? I'm hoping it goes ahead! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I've just put my name down on the list - all of those ballast wagons need a proper brake and with a new layout finally in build I'm not going to make an NGS kit to go with them.. With Hawthorn Dene going on sale by the year end I'm thinning out my loco stock so I'm not in the market for a King. Les 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just seen elsewhere that this and the N gauge King may be dropped due to lack of interest? Has the ghost of DJM scared people off? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Shropshire Lad Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2020 That's a shame if that is the case. With the Shark I expressed an interest but they have no idea how many I want so I'm not sure how it could be dropped due to a lack of take up. Cheers Colin 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Half-full Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: That's a shame if that is the case. With the Shark I expressed an interest but they have no idea how many I want so I'm not sure how it could be dropped due to a lack of take up. Cheers Colin I would imagine that KR would take each expression of interest as a single wagon, its not the type of wagon that multiple people would by multiple amounts, unlike say a 16t mineral. I guess there just might not be enough people wanting one, possibly those who have wanted one have built the NGS kit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Half-full said: I would imagine that KR would take each expression of interest as a single wagon, its not the type of wagon that multiple people would by multiple amounts, unlike say a 16t mineral. I guess there just might not be enough people wanting one, possibly those who have wanted one have built the NGS kit? Possibly, but I would surmise that a fair proportion would have taken at least a couple, since it's one of the few brakes where you might expect more than one in a consist. (on eat each end of an engineers' train). That was my thought process, certainly, and I know others are that way inclined as well. Best Scott. Edited June 23, 2020 by scottystitch 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Scottish Modeller Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, Shropshire Lad said: That's a shame if that is the case. With the Shark I expressed an interest but they have no idea how many I want so I'm not sure how it could be dropped due to a lack of take up. Cheers Colin Hi Colin, You make the same point as has been working away in my head... I know I will want more than one Shark, but that does not help KR to know they will reach the min needed to go ahead. For instance? If you look at the EWS period on its own, then you could find the Shark in different liveries - sometimes even different on the same train. So - come on KR Models - why not do a poll for the different liveries? Me - A big list! EWS, Loadhaul, Dutch and Mainline Blue for the EWS period BR Olive, Black and plain Grey for my earlier period And that's without looking as specific livery variations! Thanks Phil H 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 I certainly registered my interest in the Shark. Personally I would like a BR black one but in the interests of reducing the options in the initial run why not choose three. An early version (BR Black), a middle period livery that could be seen in the 1970-1990 period (Olive?) and finally a current livery (Dutch?). I do not model the later periods so I am not saying those choices are right. But if this approach worked you could make 1200 Sharks, with 400 of each livery. Would that be viable? Kind regards Paddy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 Why not put in a second expression of interest? Get a friend to do so, so long as you are genuinely wanting two. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold scottystitch Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, Colin_McLeod said: Why not put in a second expression of interest? Get a friend to do so, so long as you are genuinely wanting two. That’s a good shout, Colin, and I hate to say not one I’d thought of. best scott 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KR Models Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, John M Upton said: Just seen elsewhere that this and the N gauge King may be dropped due to lack of interest? Has the ghost of DJM scared people off? We have announced nothing of the sort. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 With Dapol having just announced a new run of Dogfish wagons, there ought to be even more people looking for a Shark or two to complete their ballast trains. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Colin_McLeod Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, John M Upton said: Just seen elsewhere that this and the N gauge King may be dropped due to lack of interest? Has the ghost of DJM scared people off? 42 minutes ago, KR Models said: We have announced nothing of the sort. Keith, sadly even RMweb has its trolls and fake news. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Robert Shrives Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just seen this and signed on the dotted line - certainly two dutch ones for me. I watched it almost escape last time ! hopefully not dogged this time. The Coupler mount interests me as the rapido seems to leap out of the plough but no springing or allowance for bends other thank slack in the design of the coupler. Are you considering a choice of mounts moulded around the plough - plough in NEM pocket mount , plough with nothing for a tail end charlie model , plough sides only and NEM poking in gap? Would you plan to have these as extras as well please. Have fun getting a "long felt want" model to a market. Robert 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted June 23, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, KR Models said: We have announced nothing of the sort. Many thanks for confirming this. I shall be correcting he who informed me incorrectly and I have put my name down for a Shark (I actually want two by the way). 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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