RMweb Premium Popular Post melmerby Posted February 20, 2020 RMweb Premium Popular Post Share Posted February 20, 2020 (edited) Hi all I can't find any mention of this directly so here's a picture of one of the Class 90s newly painted up for this service: Twitter Link: Edited February 20, 2020 by melmerby 27 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Richard_A Posted February 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2020 That looks smart on the class 90 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted February 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2020 If GC are using Mk IV’s with their Class 90’s, I hope they’ve sorted out the problems VTEC and LNER had when the 90 was leading, effectively had to resort to flags and whistles because driver/conductor comms wouldn’t work on several sets. Any news on when this service is due to start? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted February 21, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 21, 2020 There is nothing wrong with flags and whistles. What has worked since the dawn of railways is still in daily use in some areas and remains the default fall-back if other systems fail. 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, jools1959 said: .....Any news on when this service is due to start? GC still just saying from Spring 2020. The timetable and seating plan are shown on the GC booking page for this new service..... https://www.grandcentralrail.com/popular-routes/london-blackpool/ . 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I've been told that first trial run is scheduled for tomorrow - real time trains reveals: 5P51 07:36 London Euston - Blackpool North (calling at Milton Keynes, Nuneaton, Preston, Kirkham & Wesham and Poulton-le Fylde) 5P83 12:23 Blackpool North - London Euston (calling at Poulton-le-Fylde, Kirkham & Wesham, Preston, Nuneaton and Milton Keynes) https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45804/2020-02-22/detailed 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted February 21, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Gwiwer said: There is nothing wrong with flags and whistles. What has worked since the dawn of railways is still in daily use in some areas and remains the default fall-back if other systems fail. I didn’t say there was any thing wrong with flags and whistles as it’s a wonderful backup but the moaning of the drivers getting out of their comfy seats to see the flags was a sight to behold 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 6 hours ago, jools1959 said: I didn’t say there was any thing wrong with flags and whistles as it’s a wonderful backup but the moaning of the drivers getting out of their comfy seats to see the flags was a sight to behold You can't lean out from the chair on a 90... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 49 minutes ago, 298 said: You can't lean out from the chair on a 90... At least not if the platform is on the opposite side... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted February 22, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2020 If their hiring DBC Class 90’s, would it be safe to assume that the drivers would also be coming from DBC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkC Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 16 hours ago, SP Steve said: I've been told that first trial run is scheduled for tomorrow - real time trains reveals: 5P51 07:36 London Euston - Blackpool North (calling at Milton Keynes, Nuneaton, Preston, Kirkham & Wesham and Poulton-le Fylde) 5P83 12:23 Blackpool North - London Euston (calling at Poulton-le-Fylde, Kirkham & Wesham, Preston, Nuneaton and Milton Keynes) https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45804/2020-02-22/detailed Just clicked on the link ""This service was cancelled due to the planned cancellation (was not planned to operate) (PD)."" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 10 hours ago, mdvle said: At least not if the platform is on the opposite side... Doesn't matter which side the platform is on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 7 hours ago, jools1959 said: If their hiring DBC Class 90’s, would it be safe to assume that the drivers would also be coming from DBC? No. GC are recruiting drivers. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 23 hours ago, jools1959 said: If GC are using Mk IV’s with their Class 90’s, I hope they’ve sorted out the problems VTEC and LNER had when the 90 was leading, effectively had to resort to flags and whistles because driver/conductor comms wouldn’t work on several sets. Any news on when this service is due to start? Wouldn't that affect the use of any 90, are at least any without UIC? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 5 hours ago, MarkC said: ""This service was cancelled due to the planned cancellation (was not planned to operate) (PD)."" Genius!!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted February 22, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2020 5 hours ago, MarkC said: ""This service was cancelled due to the planned cancellation (was not planned to operate) (PD)."" Used when an agreed pathway exists but is not required. "Planned to operate" would mean the path is activated by the operator notifying the respective parties that they intend to run a specific train. You will see this message frequently if you inhabit RTT's detailed search pages. It also turns up elsewhere including on staff systems at times. It can apply to scheduled timetabled passenger trains but typically only when there is a planned alteration such as engineering works however it is more commonly used in the case of non-passenger workings such as, in this case, a test or trial run. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Looks smart in that livery 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Currently 7 scheduled for next Saturday and 6 for Sunday. Saturday https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45804/2020-02-29/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45805/2020-02-29/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45789/2020-02-29/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45791/2020-02-29/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45794/2020-02-29/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45796/2020-02-29/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45798/2020-02-29/detailed Sunday https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W22587/2020-03-01/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W22588/2020-03-01/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45811/2020-03-01/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W22582/2020-03-01/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45793/2020-03-01/detailed https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45797/2020-03-01/detailed Cheers David 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidB-AU Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 (edited) Above paths are cancelled. Just one single journey in the system for today. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/W45805/2020-02-29/detailed 91t trailing load isn't much. Just 2 coaches or one coach and DVT? EDIT: It was activated at 0933 but nothing appeared on the board. Cheers David Edited February 29, 2020 by DavidB-AU 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 29, 2020 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 29, 2020 According to Railcam data some workings are light engine for route training. Not all go as far as Blackpool and are diesels. e.g. 0Z97 Crewe to Wigan & return, 16:18 from Crewe on Monday 2nd. Not on RTT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TravisM Posted March 1, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 1, 2020 I’m wondering why GC went to the expense of hiring in DBC Class 90’s when there’s soon going to be a surplus Class 91’s for which the MkIV’s were built for? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 52 minutes ago, jools1959 said: I’m wondering why GC went to the expense of hiring in DBC Class 90’s when there’s soon going to be a surplus Class 91’s for which the MkIV’s were built for? A number of reasons - not being tilt enabled means the Mk4s will be limited to 110mph, so there's no point in having 125 capable locos, secondly, now LNER are keeping some Class 91s to expand services, and with Europhoenix planning to export 91s in pairs regeared for freight to the Continent, it's unlikely there will be a surplus. There's also a suggestion that the gearing on the 90s is better for quick acceleration compared to the 91s which if having to be pathed amongst the mix of 110mph Desiros, 125mph Pendolini and 115-120mph Voyagers is going to make pathing easier. Plus GC are an Arriva company, which is still owned by DB, and whilst I doubt DB will be doing mate's rates for their hire, Arriva have hired in traction from DB previously when they had the Wales and Borders franchise so are probably happy to keep it in house, if semi-detached. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdvle Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 1 hour ago, jools1959 said: I’m wondering why GC went to the expense of hiring in DBC Class 90’s when there’s soon going to be a surplus Class 91’s for which the MkIV’s were built for? Not worth the hassle or cost for such a small fleet? GC are only needing 5 locos, that would be a small number to be cost effective to have maintenance in house. So better to hire something in, and thus better to use whatever the hire company has (and thus have easy substitutions available) than to specify somebody bring in a small number of Class 91s to satisfy your contract. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium nightstar.train Posted March 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 1, 2020 21 hours ago, jools1959 said: I’m wondering why GC went to the expense of hiring in DBC Class 90’s when there’s soon going to be a surplus Class 91’s for which the MkIV’s were built for? Its all about acceleration. The Mk4s can only run at 110mph on the WCML as they are not tilt fitted, so a 125mph loco is not needed. A class 90 is quicker to accelerate than a 91, and they need that extra boost to keep to their paths. If Grand Central ever get their Stirling to London service approved I expect they’ll be 90 hauled as well, unless they make an order for new locos, which is probably quite doubtful. Be very cool if they ordered new electric locos and some Mk5s though. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 4 minutes ago, nightstar.train said: Its all about acceleration. The Mk4s can only run at 110mph on the WCML as they are not tilt fitted, so a 125mph loco is not needed. A class 90 is quicker to accelerate than a 91, and they need that extra boost to keep to their paths. If Grand Central ever get their Stirling to London service approved I expect they’ll be 90 hauled as well, unless they make an order for new locos, which is probably quite doubtful. Be very cool if they ordered new electric locos and some Mk5s though. The Stirling to Euston plan is Grand Union, same as London to Cardiff. Grand Union is not part of GC, Arriva or DB. Grand Union plans to use 91s with MK4s (well until new IETs enter service). 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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