Locomotives of the Howden and Derwent Reservoir contract (1901-1914) and Ladybower Reservoir contract (1935-1946)

[Hando]

From a little browsing I've discovered the locos that were used on the Howden and Derwent Reservoir Contracts (1901-1914):

 

Peckett 0-4-0ST Buller 901/1901 this later worked at Stockton-on-Tees Gasworks.

 

Manning Wardle (?) 0-6-0ST Toco

 

Peckett 0-6-0ST King

 

Here are my queries:

1) Were there other locos on the Howden/Derwent Res. Contracts? (excluding the narrow gauge locos used to construct the Derwent aqueduct)

2) What were the locos used on the later Ladybower Res. Contract (1935-1946)?

 

Any information would be happily received.

 

Thanks,

Alex

 

[br2975]

Do any of Harold Bowtell's books on dam builders and the associated railways cover this area ?

 

[sir douglas]

i was just thinking that

 

a quick search of Bowtell books that might have these in

"Reservoir railways of Manchester and the Peak"

"Reservoir railways of the Yorkshire Pennines"

[Compound2632]

You said you were only interested in the locomotives but:

 

I am fairly confident that the first carriage in the photo of Buller is a Midland 26 ft 4-wheel third brake, one of 25 built as Lot 10 at the newly-opened Litchurch Lane carriage & wagon works, in 1878. These were replaced arounf 1898-1902, though at least one remained in service as duplicate stock altered as a motor trailer for the Hemel Hempstead branch. It's not at all unsurprising to find this example sold to a contractor - there seems to have been quite a second-hand trade in surplus Midland stock in the early 20th century. The second carriage has two rows of lamps and round-headed doors - I wonder if its a Metropolitan or Metropolitan District carriage sold out of service on the abolition of underground steam?

 

Toco appears to be hauling a train of stone wagons, either one or two-plank, probably PO wagons belonging the quarry or the contractor - the Midland had no wagons of this type. I read that the stone came from a quarry at Bole Hill near Grindleford - studying the remains visible on the OS 25" maps re-surveyed c. 1919, it's clear that the stone trains must have worked over the main line from Grindleford to the exchange sidings just west of Bamford - I would doubt that the contractors locomotives were used over this stretch. Bole Hill seems to have been reached via an incline; nevertheless the National Trust website has a composite photo showing a couple of rather Peckett-ish looking 0-4-0STs. 

 

I don't think the brake van is Midland - it doesn't appear to have a continuous lower footboard.

 

King is attached to a standard Midland 3-plank dropside wagon to diagram D305, of the type built to Drg. 1143 from 1897 onwards.

 

Refs:

R.E. Lacy & G. Dow, Midland Railway Carriages Vol. 1 (Wild Swan, 1986) pp. 63-64.

R.J. Eassery, Midland Wagons Vol. 1 (OPC, 1980).

Edited February 22, 2020 by Compound2632

[Compound2632]

5 minutes ago, Compound2632 said:

it's clear that the stone trains must have worked over the main line from Grindleford to the exchange sidings just west of Bamford - I would doubt that the contractors locomotives were used over this stretch.

 

Indeed, I've just found this photo of a stone train headed by a Johnson standard 0-6-0 setting back into the Bamford exchange sidings:

 

 

Note the Midland covered goods wagons and another D305 in the sidings, along with some PO coal wagons.

[Poor Old Bruce]

For those interested in a more 'in depth' study of the dams, a book called "Walls across the valley, the building of the Howden and Derwent Dams" by Brian Robinson was published by Scarthin Books of Cromford in 1993. ISBN 0-907758-57-6.

 

I also have a hand-written list of Derwent Valley Water Board locos which I compiled from goodness knows where or when:

 

KITCHENER   Manning Wardle 1574/02

FRENCH         Manning Wardle

NOGI              Manning Wardle 1643/05

TOGO             Manning Wardle 1644/05

 

BULLER                  Peckett

DREADNOUGHT   Peckett

MACDONALD        Peckett W4 956/03 to Hathersage

KING                       Peckett X 957/03 to Bamford

QUEEN                   Peckett X 958/03 to Bamford

BOBS                      Peckett

 

[sir douglas]

French was 1582 of 1902

[Hando]

After a long time of looking, I've finally found photos of the illusive Manning Wardles FRENCH (1582) and KITCHENER (1574)

 

KITCHENER:

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s15035&pos=8&action=zoom&id=17827

 

FRENCH:

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s15034&pos=1&action=zoom&id=17826

 

Both locos have very small boilers compared to E or F class engines, by the looks of things, so I assume that they are D classes?.

 

[doilum]

15 hours ago, Hando said:

After a long time of looking, I've finally found photos of the illusive Manning Wardles FRENCH (1582) and KITCHENER (1574)

 

KITCHENER:

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s15035&pos=8&action=zoom&id=17827

 

FRENCH:

https://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s15034&pos=1&action=zoom&id=17826

 

Both locos have very small boilers compared to E or F class engines, by the looks of things, so I assume that they are D classes?.

 

FW Mabbott's book has them both as E types.

[John-Miles]

My neighbour has an E type. It doesn't look like the above.