AlexWilder Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Hello, My name is Alex and I work for a hospitality group that look after the prestigious Mr Fogg’s Collection. Every Mr Fogg’s is a uniquely themed immersive Victorian cocktail bar. Currently we are looking to add some additional decor elements to Mr Fogg’s Society of Exploration on Bedford St, just off the Strand. Specifically a loop of model railway to fit within the elevated alcove pictured in the attached image. I’m looking for a model railway enthusiast that would be happy to help create this installation. I look forward to your messages / quotations. Best regards, Alex Wilder Head of Design and Branding Mr Fogg’s alex@inception-group.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2020 Hi Alex, Is there any sort of shelf or does one need to be created? In that sort of space, and that far up, you will need some sort of narrow gauge track at a fairly large scale. Otherwise, it won't be very visible. There is a Garden Railway Specialist shop in St Mary Cray. They might be the best port of call. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexWilder Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 Thank you Joseph. Yes we will need to create the shelf. Any suggestions on the gauge - make or size? I'm a complete newbie to this world! I've sent a message to the Garden Railway Specialist shop. Fingers crossed they will also have some advice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2020 (edited) LGB. Plenty of places have used that as a basis for an elevated line around a shop, market et al https://www.lgb.com/ e.g. Edited February 24, 2020 by melmerby 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 24, 2020 I agree. LGB is the best option. Happy to run for long periods unattended. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexWilder Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 Fantastic! Cheers gents. I'll leave the option open, that if anyone in the London area would like to purchase and manage this installation I'm happy to pay for their time! alex@inception-group.com Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium polybear Posted February 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2020 Also some protection against in case of derailment - a customer getting a garden loco on the bonce won't be funny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 RE LGB: Lord and Butler have a circuit running around their shop at ceiling level - it's been there sometime. If I recall correctly, they have a clear perspex barrier to prevent derailed stock going anywhere - but allows customers to have an unobstructed view. Cheers, Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2020 9 hours ago, Philou said: RE LGB: Lord and Butler have a circuit running around their shop at ceiling level - it's been there sometime. If I recall correctly, they have a clear perspex barrier to prevent derailed stock going anywhere - but allows customers to have an unobstructed view. Cheers, Philip Like here: 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) Also Rails of Sheffield, they have a high level loop for O gauge, in fact their water-cut steelwork is a work of art, truely a man-palace of a mancave Edited February 25, 2020 by Pandora 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philou Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 @melmerby Well done - I should have done the extra mile and found the link to the video. Peter will be pleased! Cheers, Philip Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 The old Beatties store in Reading used to have a high-level large scale line as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, RJS1977 said: The old Beatties store in Reading used to have a high-level large scale line as well. I think the Modelzone in High Holborn did as well (ex Beatties?) The Modelzone in Brum had one running in the window which was at a high level compared to the shop floor which was sunken compared to street level Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, Pandora said: Also Rails of Sheffield, they have a high level loop for O gauge, in fact their water-cut steelwork is a work of art, truely a man-palace of a mancave Looking at the in-store video it appears to have two tracks of different gauges. See at about 1:13: Edited February 25, 2020 by melmerby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Beatties Manchester had 2 possibly 3 LGB High Level circuits, where the trains circulated all thro' the stores open hours! I was quite a big LGB Buyer in those days, one day I went in and the assistant manager told me that they were going to replace the rolling stock on the lines so if I was interested I could have anything I wanted very cheap, So I bought 3 or 4 goods vans for a tenner each, in those day they were around £30 each, considering the enviroment they were all pretty dusty but this washed off well, but due to their extensive use and the fact that they had never been 'turned' on their tracks, the inner wheels Plastic in those long gone days,(ie those on the inside of the almost continuous curved circuit, had very distinct grooves worn into their treads , they must have run several 'Real' miles, The manager gave me several pairs of replacement wheels though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Hi Is that the Mr Fogg’s on the bottom of Bedford Street? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 25, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 25, 2020 Another place that had a high level track was the Model Railway shop in the Victorian Market in Inverness. It looks from the info that although the shop has long gone the train still operates! Here's where it cross a passageway: https://goo.gl/maps/8fmFYhBD4kHRvv637 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 I agree G scale would be best, but the stock may need some adaptation to a “ uniquely immersive Victorian cocktail bar “. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2020 You can other things for G scale other than LGB I have even seen a "Thomas set" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) You can, and what you have seen was possibly from Bachmann, but there is nothing like an LGB Stainz for value, durability, ease of replacement of parts that (slowly) wear out etc. If the customers are knowledgable enough to differentiate a british from a german C19th train, it’s not difficult to make a Britishised version. GRS at Princes Risborough sell all the bits and pieces. Edited February 26, 2020 by Nearholmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted February 26, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 26, 2020 If we are being picky about detail, did the Victorians even drink cocktails? I am the first to admit that I don't know much about cocktails but those that I do know are of more recent origin (1920s onwards). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 26, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 26, 2020 6 minutes ago, Joseph_Pestell said: If we are being picky about detail, did the Victorians even drink cocktails? I am the first to admit that I don't know much about cocktails but those that I do know are of more recent origin (1920s onwards). Goes back to at least the early 1800s Wikipedia quotes a bartender's guide to making cocktails from 1862: How to Mix Drinks; or, The Bon Vivant's Companion, by "Professor" Jerry Thomas 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 (edited) If you want a Victorian-styled loco, why not the Bachmann G scale "Emily" from the Thomas range? Basically a Stirling Single, so a Victorian express engine. The face can be taken off and replaced with a smokebox door from Smallbrook Studios to de-Thomas-ify it. Matching coaches are available as well. Image linked from the Smallbrook Studios website, showing various of their additional bits for Emily, although the smokebox door would be the main one! Edited February 26, 2020 by Skinnylinny 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
trustytrev Posted February 28, 2020 Share Posted February 28, 2020 Hello, If it was OO you would be able to vary what was running and also show more truly representative historically accurate models. Even a chance customers could offer to loan their own models to be run. trustytrev. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 28, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, trustytrev said: Hello, If it was OO you would be able to vary what was running and also show more truly representative historically accurate models. Even a chance customers could offer to loan their own models to be run. trustytrev. But not very visible 10' up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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