Caledonian Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 What I hope will be a quick and dirty one... When were the yellow panels first painted on through-piped BR brake vans. Would they have been seen on steam-hauled trains or are they a diesel thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2020 Might be wrong but I think they were only on the air-piped vans (CAR)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 I believe these were originally on air piped MGR vans with recessed (narrow) footsteps to allow them to pass through the Daleks at power stations. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted February 24, 2020 Author Share Posted February 24, 2020 Thanks lads, now where's that tin of bauxite paint... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 24, 2020 Into the '80/90s they were used on air-braked trains that required propelling en route as they had a brake valve, under control of the guard/shunter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, keefer said: Into the '80/90s they were used on air-braked trains that required propelling en route as they had a brake valve, under control of the guard/shunter Surely all piped brake vans, whether vacuum, air or both, had brake valves so that the guard could apply the through brake, what they didn't have were brakes operated by that through pipe - the theory being that the guard could always apply the handbrake if the brake power of the van was required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOCJACOB Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 Agree with Keefer and Mark S. If you go on LNER Grain Wagon thread in preservation you will see details including piping and under frame of one of the narrow footsteps vehicles. It was in use at a power station, used for early passenger rides at Lincolnshire Wolds Railway but wet powdered coal and time hasn’t done much for the frame. Currently in siding outside as very “sick” needing extra TLC to the top and yours truly is out of action with a fracture ankle. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 24, 2020 Share Posted February 24, 2020 41 minutes ago, bécasse said: Surely all piped brake vans, whether vacuum, air or both, had brake valves so that the guard could apply the through brake, what they didn't have were brakes operated by that through pipe - the theory being that the guard could always apply the handbrake if the brake power of the van was required. Yes all piped BVs had a brake valve but a van that was vacuum piped only could not apply the train brakes on a Air braked train, it needed an air pipe for that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I think the vans Keefer refers to had a brake valve on the balcony so the guard could apply it there rather than having to dash into his cabin when he neared the stop blocks ......... but I've a feeling these vans had wasp stripes on the ends in addition to any other markings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 Those 'yellow stripes' used on MGR work generally had painted instructions to that effect, along with 'caution - narrow footboards' on the lower part of the sides. Other yellow-stripers were to be found on block oil trains for a couple of years- I remember them on the Waterton- Albion Gulf trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SP Steve Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 15 hours ago, Caledonian said: What I hope will be a quick and dirty one... When were the yellow panels first painted on through-piped BR brake vans. Would they have been seen on steam-hauled trains or are they a diesel thing? Dave Larkin has yellow panels being applied to brake vans modified with air pipes in 1968 to cater for the introduction of air braked stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 I remember painting these yellow panels on my Triang-Hornby BR brake van circa 1971 and adding "TO WORK WITH AIR-BRAKED TRAINS ONLY" (much like the Bachmann model currently available from Kernow) using a sharpened matchstick. These days I'd struggle to see the matchstick !! The yellow was Humbrol no 8, sadly missed as nothing available these days has that kind of density....... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken.W Posted February 25, 2020 Share Posted February 25, 2020 The yellow panels to identify (air) piped vans referred to in the OP were on the sides of the vans, around but not including the lookout ducket, as well as a central panel on the end. Yellow end panels, or by that time more likely wasp stripes, on vans adapted for propelling movements were a different matter and came much later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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