Jillyp Posted February 29, 2020 Share Posted February 29, 2020 I came across a post on this forum re the below CCT and wondered if anyone could tell me who the manufacturer was? I bought a box of old tinplate toys and this Wagon was wrapped in newspaper (dated 1971) at the bottom. I’ve looked online, and I can find six wheelers by Darstaed, but nothing apart from photos on this forum. Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) I expect @Nearholmer can tell us. I'm sure I've seen one of these discussed before - early tinplate, quite possibly truly pre-grouping modelling in that it may be contemporary with the prototype. It looks to me a bit too bashed about to be a modern copy - I'm not sure the retro tinplate revival had got going in 1971. Livery wise, it's a very good representation of a LNWR D446 motor car truck but shortened to fit a standard tinplate underframe. Edited March 1, 2020 by Compound2632 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) I thought at first it was paper overlay on a Hornby coach, but now I’m not so sure. Is it genuinely tin-printed, or is it ‘wallpapered’? If it’s tin-printed, I think it might be a Bing copy of Carette, but Mark Carne will know for sure, being the primary expert on Bing for the British market. For reference, here is a genuine Carette one. Edited March 1, 2020 by Nearholmer 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 One other possibility just struck me ....... a chap (from Yorkshire?) whose name has gone right out of my head, who hand-painted things in the style of Carette, I think during the 1970s and 1980s. Again Mark is the expert. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 3 minutes ago, Nearholmer said: One other possibility just struck me ....... a chap (from Yorkshire?) whose name has gone right out of my head, who hand-painted things in the style of Carette, I think during the 1970s and 1980s. Again Mark is the expert. That end lettering certainly looks hand-painted. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Mark Carne of Network Rail? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 Yes, but possibly not the same one that you are thinking of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 1, 2020 This is where we discussed this before: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted March 1, 2020 Share Posted March 1, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, cctransuk said: That end lettering certainly looks hand-painted. It very much does, but pre-PC so was the lettering for paper litho overlays, and quite a bit of the artwork that became tin-printing litho, so it can be very difficult to tell what a thing is without having it in your hands. Ace were tin-printing coaches from hand-drawn artwork as recently as the 1990s. At the moment I'm leaning in the direction that this is an overlay job - look along the bottom of the sides, above the solebar - doesn't that look like paper ruched by a not-sharp-enough knife?; what I think might be cutouts to get over the lamp-irons on the ends; and, look at the lower part of the ends above the buffers - but without it in my hands ....... Bruce Palmer lists in his 'catalogue' an overlay in this livery to fit a Hornby No.1 coach, and IIRC that is an old hand-drawn one. Edited March 1, 2020 by Nearholmer 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 1, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 1, 2020 The script lettering on the genuine Carette one appears to be legible and the cauliflower looks more edible credible. Not to mention the end lettering. Also the toplights. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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