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59 minutes ago, 57xx said:

It's a splash plate to stop oil getting on the wheels. I'm sure someone has posted about this earlier in the thread with prototype pics

 

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Not the same shape as the splash plates intended to stop oil getting on to the brake blocks where the blocks were in front of the drivers, e.g. the large Prairies (unlike the 2-cylinder 4-6-0s).

 

Here's Erlestokes:

 

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For interest, here's Foxcote Manor close up on a blustery day last year. You can see the splash plate again and hear the spitting and pinging valves that are a feature of the Dapol sound project.

 

 

Correction: I see this sound project has a separate Brake Whistle (F18). Excellent! We need this to be standard on all GWR loco sound projects.

 

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22 hours ago, Harlequin said:

For interest, here's Foxcote Manor close up on a blustery day last year. You can see the splash plate again and hear the spitting and pinging valves that are a feature of the Dapol sound project.

 

 

Correction: I see this sound project has a separate Brake Whistle (F18). Excellent! We need this to be standard on all GWR loco sound projects.

 

The 'spitting and pinging valves' are not valves but the vacuum pump which is a bit on the noisy side (?lubrication).  The vacuum pump is normally most noticeable when the regulator is closed on the over-run but it is can also be sometimes when the exhaust is quiet as on this example.  Listen to lots of recordings of Western engines working and it usually won't be heard because of the exhaust and other noises.

 

As ever I'm a bit under impressed by the sounds on this 'Manor' but it is very difficult to get the speakers right for steam engine sound in a 4mm scale model.  The injector sound was more like an ejector than an injector because there was no sound of water puck=up or indeed any sound at all connected with the water moving.  On the other hand the ejector sound was pretty good.  The cylinder draincock sound was very weak - hardly like thh real thing on an engine starting away and it didn't keep going with the exhaust note which in many cases it would.  The whistle - as already noted - didn't get that shrillness that seemed to be common with 'Manor's but that could well be down to the speakers.

 

On the plus side the exhaust synchronisation looked to be pretty good at all speeds but - as ever with steam sound in this scale there was no effect from alterations of the cut-off and no drifting effect  but I'm sure it would need some pretty sophisticated techniques (and a suitable controller to realistically capture that sort of thing).  Alas nobody in the UK yet seem to have managed to do steam sound properly on a model.

 

Listen to some of these -

 

http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/soundsgwr.htm

 

Or at about 11.50 onwatds on this one where the engines go right past the recorder and the vacuum pump can't be heard at all -

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/time-out--the-four-steamers/zbwhwty

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22 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

The 'spitting and pinging valves' are not valves but the vacuum pump which is a bit on the noisy side (?lubrication).  The vacuum pump is normally most noticeable when the regulator is closed on the over-run but it is can also be sometimes when the exhaust is quiet as on this example.  Listen to lots of recordings of Western engines working and it usually won't be heard because of the exhaust and other noises.

 

Not cylinder valves but valves in the vacuum pump?

 

22 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said:

As ever I'm a bit under impressed by the sounds on this 'Manor' but it is very difficult to get the speakers right for steam engine sound in a 4mm scale model.  The injector sound was more like an ejector than an injector because there was no sound of water puck=up or indeed any sound at all connected with the water moving.  On the other hand the ejector sound was pretty good.  The cylinder draincock sound was very weak - hardly like thh real thing on an engine starting away and it didn't keep going with the exhaust note which in many cases it would.  The whistle - as already noted - didn't get that shrillness that seemed to be common with 'Manor's but that could well be down to the speakers.

 

On the plus side the exhaust synchronisation looked to be pretty good at all speeds but - as ever with steam sound in this scale there was no effect from alterations of the cut-off and no drifting effect  but I'm sure it would need some pretty sophisticated techniques (and a suitable controller to realistically capture that sort of thing).  Alas nobody in the UK yet seem to have managed to do steam sound properly on a model.

 

Listen to some of these -

 

http://www.greatwestern.org.uk/soundsgwr.htm

 

Or at about 11.50 onwatds on this one where the engines go right past the recorder and the vacuum pump can't be heard at all -

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/archive/time-out--the-four-steamers/zbwhwty

Model steam sound is still a developing artform. At the moment it is limited by the sound reproduction of the speakers and the sound path out of the body. I try to address both when I'm installing sound and I'm sure there are ways to improve the basic technology.

 

Note that Accurascale have said they will do something radical with the sound in their Manor...

 

Edit: One sound that the speakers we currently use really ought to be able to reproduce is a shrill whistle!

 

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5 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

Maybe but i suspect the oil level in the pump might have been a bit low as they tend to get noisier if that is the case.

Unless the rings have gone, in which case there is no reassuring tick. 

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2 hours ago, TerryBewdley said:

Will sound versions of the Manors be available from local model shops or only direct from Dapol?

Rails doesn’t list sound fitted versions, so my guess is that they will only be available from Dapol. Dapol isn’t quoting a price yet but has previously charged £125 more for sound fitted. That will come on top of an undiscounted price, so is likely to be an expensive choice.

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15 hours ago, TerryBewdley said:

Will sound versions of the Manors be available from local model shops or only direct from Dapol?

As per my reply to you on 7 July.  Does not look like it.  My local model shop is not expecting to stock sound fitted versions, plus the major box shifters are not advertising them for pre-order  

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