cornamuse Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 (edited) Ok, here I am again, pre-grouping, but a bit larger scale. The intention is a small indoor layout in a big scale. Location not Wales... maybe the lakes, or possibly the Yorkshire coast or dales... First stop, some stock. Unusually from the excellent ip engineering kits. All Ffestiniog because I like it, but built to 45mm gauge. Loco tbc but probably scratch bodged England. first up, carriage 15- oldest iron framed bogie coach, I think: with so many windows, some panelling has been needed. Thank you card cutter! and seating, upholstered with felt and some dodgy looking characters, due to be painted. Mr eyebrows and E.T’s grandma Edited August 30, 2021 by cornamuse 14 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 8, 2020 Author Share Posted March 8, 2020 (edited) Painted and waiting for a train. a bit bit of a cruel close-up, really. Dr Ignatio Browze - he of remarkably luxuriant eyebrows; and Megan the maid, returning from a trip home, and in possession of some startling gossip and the train has arrived... Edited March 15, 2020 by cornamuse Made the guy’s name sillier :) 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) In a short break from that enormous carriage, I bring you a short brake... namely a sentry box brake van. Apparently these were used in gravity passenger trains. I can almost feel the knuckles whitening! will be gloss black with with a white roof I think, although it has also been oxide red in the past. The black will match the smart carriages better though. The lovely little early slate wagon is a nice little kit. Just need another 20 or so! Edited March 15, 2020 by cornamuse 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Traxson Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, cornamuse said: In a short break from that enormous carriage, I bring you a short brake... namely a sentry box brake van. Apparently these were used in gravity passenger trains. I can almost feel the knuckles whitening! will be gloss black with with a white roof I think, although it has also been oxide red in the past. The black will match the smart carriages better though. The lovely little early slate wagon is a nice little kit. Just need another 20 or so! I believe the research for the colour for the replica of the S/box brake came up with the same "purple brown" as the early livery for the iron frame bogie coaches. For my own models I use Railmatch "royal train purple" which seems a reasonable match to me. I was hoping the photo's below would help you but they were taken on a dull day, which seems to enhance the brown part of purple brown, however I've included them anyway. IMG_0211 by Phil Traxson, on Flickr IMG_0210 by Phil Traxson, on Flickr I thought i would put this one up too as the cask wagon is in the coach colours and it also includes one of the wooden slate wagons too. 100_1055 by Phil Traxson, on Flickr Edited March 9, 2020 by Phil Traxson 6 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 9, 2020 Author Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) Thank you! My current mix includes black and purple spray paints, but isn’t perfect. I’ll have a look at the railmatch- the only issue is that these coaches need bucketsful! The bogie coach isn’t black, despite appearances. I was half hoping a black brake van would show that! The single plank wagon is good- what sort of casks was it for, given its livery? Was it intended to run with coaching stock? Edited March 9, 2020 by cornamuse 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Traxson Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) The livery is by request of the sponsor of the replica build, who just happens to own Purple Moose Brewery here in Porthmadog, even the buffer housing is lined out. The original would have been in standard "brick red" FR freight livery. A lot of goods were transported in casks packed with straw in days gone by and I surmise it was easier to load them over the side of a one plank wagon. The photo the lads supplied me with to make my kit shows one of them loaded with goods casks and crates at Minfordd, but it's nickname on the FR is "the beer wagon". It appears there were only two of them and typical of the FR they had different brake systems, the one in the Spooner album, on page 32, shows a band brake and the one in the picture I used had a brake block, both only worked on one wheel but this placed the brake handle pivot in very different positions on the sole bar. I finished up supplying both versions in my kit. Phil T. Edited March 9, 2020 by Phil Traxson more info 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 10, 2020 Author Share Posted March 10, 2020 (edited) Painted and awaiting lettering- which will have to depend on the eventual name of the railway... the brake van does have wheels, honest, and they are under there! I am going with all black, I like the look. I’m very tempted to build the hearse wagon too and make a nice little gothic number up! The slate wagon is not IP engineering- it is from Lineside huts. At £10 with wheels, you can’t go wrong! Edited March 10, 2020 by cornamuse 9 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NeilHB Posted March 12, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 12, 2020 Looking good Andy. The brake van looks rather nice in the gloss black livery. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike Bellamy Posted March 12, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2020 On 09/03/2020 at 15:09, cornamuse said: The single plank wagon is good- what sort of casks was it for, given its livery? Was it intended to run with coaching stock? By an amazing coincidence, I see that the person who could answer all of your questions is actually standing on the platform behind the cask wagon - Adrian Gray is the Archivist for the FR and Secretary of the Heritage Group !! https://www.frheritage.org.uk/ Mike 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 On 12/03/2020 at 07:31, NeilHB said: Looking good Andy. The brake van looks rather nice in the gloss black livery. Thank you - I’m really liking the gloss black, it is going on the coach ends too. Then we are going to have a nice gloss black hearse van to go with it. Thanks for the info, Mike. I’ll have to look into it, it would make a nice model 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 13, 2020 Author Share Posted March 13, 2020 (edited) Progress finally on coach 15. Lighting installed, although the gutless battery I have space for will be replaced by cables to the lovely empty brake van where I can hide a nice big battery. the two passengers look happy- with luggage and so on stacked round them. and the end handrails- a bit of an iconic item- finally soldered up and not looking too awful. Finally, the end is in sight! Edited March 15, 2020 by cornamuse 8 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) In other news- chassis for type 2 quarrymen’s coaches: rather simple, but they will barely be visible- and admittedly I believe they should be inside bearings but rule 1 and all that- made from layers of card and cheap superglue. Very strong once dry, and very much like mdf. These are the layers: All 4 glued up in about 20 mins - and accurately cut on the ol’ Card cutter! Edited March 15, 2020 by cornamuse 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 14, 2020 Author Share Posted March 14, 2020 (edited) Back to work on the quarrymen and their coach... the first 4 passengers - Taid (granddad), Flash Rhys, Trefor the tab and Seth. Some funny shapes so they fit together. like sardines in a tin - and I think my guys are a little undernourished- you can see from the knees why they were called zippers... Another 4 guys tomorrow. The next version will have doors and tiny windows, which I imagine was worse! Edited March 15, 2020 by cornamuse Welsh names! 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CKPR Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) Really nice models and you seem to be channeling not only the early days of the FR but also of the pioneering days of 16mm modelling, particularly with your figures which remind me of the characters that always to grace 'Archangel' engines and coaches back in the 1970s. Edited March 15, 2020 by CKPR 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 15, 2020 Author Share Posted March 15, 2020 11 hours ago, CKPR said: Really nice models and you seem to be channeling not only the early days of the FR but also of the pioneering days of 16mm modelling, particularly with your figures who remind me of the characters that always to grace 'Archangel' engines and coaches back in the 1970s. thank you! They are very rough and ready, but will barely be visible, so character and movement are more important than accuracy. Which is lucky so here are Pork-pie Dai, Bryn, Scruffy the dog and Puffin’ Gwilym: so, if the train stops suddenly, who gets the pie? Dai or Scruffy? here they are crushed in for a trip to work. Eeeeek! 4 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 Finally got them all outside... some sunny shots to cheer your day up! to follow soon - type 1 & 2b quarrymen’s coaches, more slate wagons, hearse, gunpowder wagon, porthole bugbox and Blodwen the stationmistress in Welsh costume. 10 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 The quarry train is growing - type 2b scratchbuilt coach joins the roster. Type 1a next I think, plus some hardy miners clinging on 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 24, 2020 Author Share Posted March 24, 2020 (edited) And now an open coach; not quite Penrhyn, not quite Ffestiniog. Plus some passengers, a little more detailed than the ones in the semi covered coach. 4 more to make, plus the wheels. Edited March 24, 2020 by cornamuse 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 26, 2020 Author Share Posted March 26, 2020 (edited) Just 2 more passengers to go a few slate waggons next, I think... Edited March 29, 2020 by cornamuse 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) Some more progress: Open carriage now fulley loadad; I’m pretty happy with it, despite it being very conjecture. Station mistress Myfanwy waiting for the next train. Her real counterpart sold postcards of herself to the tourists! Porthole zoo car well on its way to completion. Used to hold 12-14 passengers; no idea how! More cardboard vehicles- a wooden slate wagon this time, trialling a design before I make loads. One will need to be powered for the gravity train! Cardboard is a good medium for this - surprisingly robust, easy to work, light and cheap. Yes, it has limitations, but at £3 a truck including wheels, I can live with it! Edited March 29, 2020 by cornamuse 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Traxson Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, cornamuse said: Porthole zoo car well on its way to completion. Used to hold 12-14 passengers; no idea how! According to my copy of the FR rule book (March 2002) the bug boxes are still rated 14 third class or 10 first. But you're right, having travelled in them a couple of times even with only 10 in you need to be good friends! Fortunately most of my trips were at the front of the train so only got crowded if you had trainees on the footplate. Just out of interest, though you probably know already, the seats on the early open Quarrymen's coaches actually over hang the main bodywork, the classic old photo of the Saturday workers train on Creuau shows the outer man on each seat has his leg dangling in mid air with his only his foot tucked into the vehicle. I have a very large "blow up" of part of this picture when we were trying to determine which wheel type was used for the 7mm kit which shows this well. F.R. Mk1a quarryman's open wagon by Phil Traxson, on Flickr Edited March 30, 2020 by Phil Traxson 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Thank you, Phil, I couldn’t find a decent drawing/picture to be certain, and none of the 16mm kits include it- thank you for the picture, it shows up just what I was looking for. They must have been exciting to travel on! I might stick with my pseudo Penrhyn one, as it is easier to make people for! Cracking model, too, by the way. Out of interest, am I getting the general feel right- ignoring the mildly deformed humans! Edited March 30, 2020 by cornamuse 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Traxson Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) Whilst looking for something else I found this, which I mentioned in the previous posting Image0121 by Phil Traxson, on Flickr The "coaches" in use. Edited March 30, 2020 by Phil Traxson 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley Jim Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Is that where the Indian Railways got the idea? Jim 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornamuse Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 Looks blinking uncomfortable to me. I’m amazed they didn’t fall out 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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