swampy Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I'm puzzled by the provenance of the wagon in this photo on ebay... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ORIGINAL-35mm-RAILWAY-b-w-NEGATIVE-WAGON-CONDEMNED/283808271131?hash=item42144a8b1b:g:Q6UAAOSwXsBeZO4Y Presumably a ballast wagon, going by the axlebox covers on the far wagon, and if the photo is enlarged, the wagon plate could say LTSR Co. I can't find it in the LTSR section of Midland wagons though. The body is shorter than the u/frame, with peculiar inset buffers, and a toothed brake rack. Any ideas? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Tooley Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 These are ex-Great Eastern ballast wagons (see pp221/2 of 'An Illustrated History of LNER Wagons, Volume One' by Peter Tatlow, Wild Swan 2005). The somewhat curious arrangement of the buffers derives from the fact that these were originally dumb-buffered wagons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2020 I believe LTSR wagons got new Midland-style numberplates on being absorbed into Midland stock in 1912 - they were certainly re-numbered. The plates on those ballast wagons could well be LNER plates - the NE could easily enough be misread as TS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 They're standard LNER axleboxes - far newer than the wagon or spring-buffer conversion ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Tooley Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Wickham Green said: They're standard LNER axleboxes - far newer than the wagon or spring-buffer conversion ! Judging by the profile of the top of the box, these are GE oil axleboxes - the LNER ones were typically flat at the top. D Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Compound2632 Posted March 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2020 Possibly LNE-made axleboxes (or just replacement lids) to the GE pattern. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Darryl Tooley said: Judging by the profile of the top of the box, these are GE oil axleboxes - the LNER ones were typically flat at the top. D Maybe that's where the LNER design came from ? - though it wasn't adopted as standard ( largely replacing the RCH split box ) 'til many years after grouping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl Tooley Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Wickham Green said: Maybe that's where the LNER design came from ? According to Tatlow (LNER Wagons Vol 4A, p13), the one-piece cast-steel open-fronted axlebox introduced by the LNER in 1931 (as a result of the RCH cast-iron split axleboxes being prone to breakage) was derived from the GNR design. In truth the GNR design did not look, and probably wasn't, radically different from the GER equivalent. D Edited March 9, 2020 by Darryl Tooley typo 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swampy Posted March 11, 2020 Author Share Posted March 11, 2020 Thanks to all for the informative replies, it's always interesting to clear up a wagon puzzle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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